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Just wondering if anyone has purchased this or can give me a review of this product http://www.subliminalpersuasion.co.uk/Seance.html

The 'manifestation' trick really appeals to me, but would like to hear anyones thoughts before I shell out $30+ for the ebook.
Thanks in advance....
Andrew

Just so you know - neither the site nor the product is actually linked to Derren Brown in any way whatsoever.

I wouldn't buy from them.

I know you don't want to hear this, but invest that money into books on doing Seance shows, etc. and you will slowly discover methods for most of those rather "over-priced" bits that the seller admits, come from existing resources for the most part.

It is rare that purchasing a single effect has the value of a book dealing with the same topic.

Zack wrote:Just so you know - neither the site nor the product is actually linked to Derren Brown in any way whatsoever.

I wouldn't buy from them.

And if they have to use someone else's name, without permission, to promote the trick just ask yourself how good can it really be?

Don't give the guy your money, spend it on something by Eugene Burger instead...

and dont forget theres a seance section in Corinda's 13 steps too...

I really must put up a review of Shuttleworth's other stuff, but suffice it to say that one of his manuscripts contains the secret to the phone booth instant sleep trick, which turns out to be how he thinks it might work, not the actual method, which is more to do with, you guessed it Derren fans, pre-show work.

Thanks for all the replies guys, will heed your advice and steer clear!!!
In saying that, again this manifestation trick, really appeals to my darker sense of humor, does anyone know of this effect and where I can find it???

DrFeelbad wrote:Thanks for all the replies guys, will heed your advice and steer clear!!!
In saying that, again this manifestation trick, really appeals to my darker sense of humor, does anyone know of this effect and where I can find it???

In the Seance section of Corinda there is a thing called "The Phantom" you might enjoy... another classic is Will Dexter's "Uncanny Power"... this is an awesome Seance routine that I still use. Another source for ideas is Rick Maue's BOOK OF HAUNTED MAGICK... many a Seance have been partly developed through that book... my first Seance show was almost entirely from that book in fact.

Remember, Seance work is very subtle and psychological and does not require a bunch of effects. If you set everything up right walking in, you can have them begging you to go no further 15 minutes into the bit... I know, I've done so. Rick Maue's "DEMON RING" was the 3rd or 4th effect that took place in the arrangement and the second effect that more or less proved that our spirit was with us (followed Pk Touches)... I've had many a young lady crying her eyes out begging me to stop...

I love such scenarios in that I get paid in full + a nice tip, loads of thanks and a good hour + of extra time on my hands for the night...

I'll make note that my routine in the above has changed a bit. I can't say when it will be out or whose book it will be in but a noted Mentalist from the UK is releasing a new book before the end of the year that has my "IT TAKES A THIEF" routine in it, which is where the above sequence has evolved... the routine combines Rick's Demon Ring with PK Touches so as to deliver one heck of an unexplainable manifestation

Cool I'll look forward to it. I'm reading 13 steps to mentalism at the moment and find it quite interesting despite it being a bit heavy.

Hey Craig, you mentioned "the phantom" in Corinda's 13 steps book, how similar is it too "manifestation"

This sounds really freaky, and has the potential to scare the cr@p out of people, which would be cool...

Manifestation:
Bound to a chair, you now attempt a full spirit manifestation. All lights are extinguished & you enter a trance, just like a genuine medium (ie, you're pretending). Suddenly, a pair of glowing eyes appear, and begin to survey the room. Blinking, they seem to fix their gaze on one person in particular, and as the stare seems to become more intense, the "thing" emits a terrifying screech as it bares it's fangs at your guest. Someone screams, and suddenly the "thing" is gone. The lights are switched on revealing you still bound to your chair, just coming around from your trance.

Sorry to bother you Craig, but is phantom along these lines???
Thanks

No... Phantom is not along those lines but it does create an intersting stench in the room as well as the ocassional puddle.

The routine as it is described, reminds me of one of the old Spirit Tie routines but I'd have to go digging through a small ton of books to find it. But based on what I have picked up on some of the other things outlined on this web site, it is an existing and established bit of business that this clown is trying to hustle folks on... reminds me a great deal of the old Magus Magic Co. (Stephan Magus) from several years back; the guy would take bits straight out of Corinda and hype them on line as individual effects at $20.00 a shot... alot of it was alluded to being "his original stuff" and it was far from it.

Now if your only goal is to scare the gollygeewillikers out of them, then maybe you just need to have an airhorn under the chair that you can reach once you're tied, the lights go down, etc. With everyone quiet and focusing on a candle flame and the suspense brought up, a good two-second blast of a hand-held air horn will certainly get them all to jump, maybe even a heart-attack here and there.

Then of course you could do something novel, like "Enchant" those that are gathered and in so doing, plant a seed of thought into their minds, that will haunt them forever and a day after your gathering. It's as Rick Maue points out in The Book of Haunted Magick, what he calls "Cerebral Magick" e.g. being able to plant psychological anchors onto a persons psyche so that they aren't certain if or not what they encountered was real or theatrical. This has been the primary goal of the legit Mentalist and Bizarrist since day one.

One of the big things you'll hear me tell people wanting to learn Mentalism or any aspect of "Psychic" Entertainment is to "Watch the real psychics"... people like John Edward, Sylvia Brown, James VanPraagh, etc. If you watch these people and people like them you will learn not only how to explain things to your audience via the proper wordage, you will see what it is the public expects to encounter from a genuine psychic... or at least, those that they percieve as being such (let's not turn this into another "no such thing as psychics" debate, that's not the point here.)

It is exceptionally rare that any kind of physical manifestation happens in a demonstration of "genuine" spirit contact, so why should what we do be any different?

Ok, if you are doing a re-enactment of the old Victorian era Seance then you may have a point... if you are investigating tales of a Haunting or Ghost Sighting, then you may have the right foundation for making something unexpected happen, but the bottom line remains what Bob Cassidy calls "Viability" and "Plausibility" without those two factors in place the "stunt" comes off weak and looks like a dumb trick vs. the kind of thing that causes loss of bladder control.

Less is more! You can get ten times the mileage out of something happening in a group of 10 people when only two or three of the ten witness it than a big thing that's experienced by everyone there. But that's how this kind of material work best.

End of lecture

Ok Craig, thankyou so much for all you input and thoughts, really appreciate it my friend. I will try and track down the book you speak of, and give it a good read. If you have any more suggestions for reading, feel free to let me know...
Thanks again, and take care..
Andrew

Let's just say there was a time when I was ignorant enough to waste money on his products. I know that sounds harsh, but I thought the manuscript I recieved from him was pure rubbish.