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you could sue the person for fireing you as you did nothing illegal

take bill gates for example

I have been slowly......veeeeeery slowly........writing a book on a subject completely unrelated to magic.

I am not saying it is right.......but anyone can paraphrase a previous work providing they use their own words and descriptions. For example, in University papers you are not allowed to copy word for word, but providing you change wording to make it your own it is not conisered plagarism.

For example (lets take the sport of soccer/football) if someone writes a book on strategic offensive tactics.....others are not forbidden from writing on the subject. They can even write about the exact same tactics on and take the same stance and opinions.....however its much different when it comes to fact based items and/or research. You then need to give credit to the researcher which requires the either permission or quotes.

It can be a very GREEEEEEYYYY area and is difficult to prove/disprove. In many cases the original is actuall a small spin on someone elses work, which is a spin on someone elses work, etc.....rarely is something actually 100% unique.....

krazy ace wrote:you could sue the person for fireing you as you did nothing illegal

take bill gates for example

Nope, In texas you can be fired for anything, and they dont have to give a reason.

And in business we have somethin called ethics.

The business can fire you for plagerism. Your stealing some one elses work. If i bought the book Helter Shelter, and then Reprinted 100s of copies in my own name and sold them as my own creation, I could be sued.

In business, if i copied my co-workers papers and claimed them as my own with out permission i could be fired.

and plagerism is not just coping word for word. It is claiming someone else work as your own. Not giving proper credit.

If its not your original idea, then you should give credit.

And remember the us laws are different than those of the rest of the world. And the same goes for each state.

"And in business we have somethin called ethics. "


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However.... of course originality should be credited. Passing off original work as one's own is an awful thing to do. Totally immoral let alone the ethical side of it. Different issue altogether as to whether it is necessarily worthy of financial recompense to pass it on however...

fletch wrote:"And in business we have somethin called ethics. "


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However.... of course originality should be credited. Passing off original work as one's own is an awful thing to do. Totally immoral let alone the ethical side of it. Different issue altogether as to whether it is necessarily worthy of financial recompense to pass it on however...

Whats funny about it. In the engineering profession, our code of ethics is taken very seriuosly. if not it can cost lives.

But thats just in our field, others i know dont take to theirs as well or at all.

as an engineer and magic designer i will point out theat the "code of ethics" phrase dont fit, ethics is it morally correct to do something NOT is it safe to do something!





Sorry but "code of Ethics" is a stupid attempt to heal all things at once, and a good engineer should never put a life at risk THROUGH knowing what they are doing not a few words on a bit of paper,


As regards to Shareing info and tricks, YES magic can be copywrited, and if a trickm is copyied and still the same trick (even if described difrreently) there is a good chance that "Interlectual Property" laws have been broken,


Del

hans trixer wrote the following of those who borrow/steal the magic of others

When you steal one trick, they call it plagiarism
When you steal many they call it reserch.

and I've just quoted him without permision

On the subject of shutting down exposure sites, yes write to them telling them of the harm they do, but try to be nice. No one likes an angry letter and no one takes any notice of them.

I was once told by a magic dealer I know well that the only things copywrite are the instructions. The trick would have to have a patent, which is expensive and lengthy so aint worth the bother for 99% of the tricks produced. Do not know this as a point of law but he was a magical inventor himself and gave the impresion he had looked into such things.

Whats funny about it. In the engineering profession, our code of ethics is taken very seriuosly

The term "business ethics" is only surpassed as an example of oxymoron by the term "U.S. Intelligence".

i was seriously shocked watching an Ellusionist dvd recently (well - who wouldnt be with those eyelashes...) anyway - in his routine, Brad actually shows a whole group of people the Pass and how it's done...in the middle of a routine...

howzabout that then?!

very bad business if you ask me...granted it was to a group of elder folk, but what if a crop of youngsters start revealing it during their ambitious card routine or whatever..just to take the heat off what they're really doing...

sacrificing the Pass...i ask you! shameful....