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How comes Mark Lewis is allowed to get away with pushing his products at us in so many of his posts?

Along with his insults, he gets away with posts that us mere mortals get deleted.

I asked this question in a now locked thread in reviews. My post is now missing.

Does this mean that every time he mentions his products or starts causing problems, his post will be deleted.

Or is it one rule for him, and different for the rest of us?

I did not see your deleted post. No doubt it was full of the most improper impertinence and this is no doubt why you were deleted. Quite right too. You must learn not to upset and insult people, my boy. I suggest you study me as a role model of civility, politeness and good breeding.

I see that even in your post above you are using profanity which shocks me at my very core. You must remember that there are children present of which I suspect you may be one. Furthermore I am a Reverend man of the cloth and I am most upset that you would use bad language in front of a holy person such as myself.

It is indeed true as you so astutely observed that you are indeed a mere mortal and I of course certainly am not. This is of course why I am treated with due deference and you aren't.

Besides I give away all sorts of useful information and you don't. If you but read carefully, my boy you will enhance your education in the magical arts. If you continue to revel in profanity and complaining you will learn nothing and become the sort of magician who couldn't make the contents of an empty box disappear.

Now do try to improve yourself-there's a good chap.

You are dismissed.

I know it's all supposed to be a joke, but deliberately antagonising people shouldn't be tolerated.

Darrel's post wasn't anything bad, just asking why you were always allowed to promote your products, and asking if anyone else was fed up with it.

I cannot antagonise people if they do not wish to be antagonised. To quote James Allen "Our life is what our thoughts make it"

One should remember that a person is hurt not so much by what happens as by his opinion of what happens. And I would venture to say that his opinion of what happens is up to him.

I shall give you a little poem. "two men looked out from prison bars, one saw mud and the other saw stars" In other words it is what you perceive regarding the situation, not the situation itself.

In other words the antagonee cannot be antagonised if he does not wish to be.

Anyway I am not "pushing my products" I hardly mention that I have the best hypnosis course in the industry and that it is most wondrous and only costs a mere $150. I do accept Paypal by the way.

A young man was asking for information about the best way to go. I gave my opinion in no more than a couple of lines. The bulk of what I said was regarding the existence of hypnosis and this is what probably what seems to be upsetting the child who is using the most dreadful profanity in the presence of a most saintly individual like myself.

I rather think he does not understand humour. Perhaps he should get a sense of it.

Have you ever watched a comedy? One which has been running for years?

It might have started out funny, but it has now just got stale and beyond a joke.

The shame is, there can be some good advice in your posts. Shame people can't be bothered to wade through all the dross and adverts to get to it.

I am not the first to make these comments, yet I haven't seen a reply from a Mod. Why are his blatant adverts allowed in his posts?

I wonder what the people who PAY to advertise here think?

Please note, I started reading the first couple of lines of the reply from Mark Lewis. I saw it was the same self centered I am better than you unfunny comment, so I haven't read the rest of the post. If there was some comment which may have been relevant, please write in a normal way.

You recently gave some good advice on what to charge. Excellent post. Without the normal "I am God" type of comments, your advice can be taken as it should be. IE, a proffesional giving help. It is just a shame that you do resort to adding comments sometimes that are as funny as George Bush doing an impression of Tommy Cooper. It would make people cringe, rather than laugh.
You ARE someone who's comments should be respected. I feel that respect has to be earned though.

He appears to be here to argue and push his products and he's a very poor advert for them.
Surely he's breaking the forum rules?
There are some really helpful people on here with a lot of knowledge - and then there's Mark Lewis.

You have to appreciate Mr Lewis and his posts. They are somewhat akin to a fine wine or a mature cheese - not to everyone's taste but enjoyed by a few connoisseurs

in relation to pushing products, I do see your point but will add that I personally don't think that your argument stands up for the following reasons.

The vast majority of people wishing to sell on TM are simply looking to trade to a targeted group - a sort of magicians ebay. What they are generally trading is information that they have bought, copied, learnt and then wish to pass on and recoup some or perhaps all of the money that they spend. In effect, they are learning our secrets without paying their due.

For those who are selling magic that is not information based, there is a facility to sell to the TM membership where the seller is able to relinquish the ability to perform the 'for sale' item when it is sold. This applies to all but with some buyer protection through vetting by the Mods.

Very few people here are Pro's. Those who are may have many products that they wish to sell so they have shops, web sites etc. that have links on the site. They generally sell other peoples products in a professional manner.

Mr Lewis on the other hand is selling, or promoting his OWN works which I see as being somewhat different. Inside there is a true wealth of information and experience and many could spend their money on far worse items of magic. Having been around for a few years now on TM, I also recall other pro's offering their products and I for one have been glad to see them take the time to write for (as Mr Lewis puts it) us mere mortals

Yes, his posts are sometimes condescending and tedious but you have to admit that they are also humerous (well at least I think so). Just don't take them too seriously!

I really must reply to the sad irritee from Hertfordshire. I see that he is trying to admire me but can't quite manage it yet. I can give him lessons on the subject since I am terribly experienced in the art of admiring MARK LEWIS. I do it all the time.

He keeps yapping in a most demented manner about my "continually" pushing my products. The thread that seems to have set him off is the one about hypnotism.

I am innocence personified. If he and everyone else goes over that thread there are precisely THREE lines from me mentioning my most wondrous hypnosis course and they were in response to someone wondering how to start. Naturally I felt compelled to help and I did. I have always been full of the milk of human kindness. Darrell is merely full of something else.

However there were FIFTY THREE other lines in the thread from me where my products were not even mentioned.

I dare say even children from Hertfordshire can count. I have been led to understand that they have elementary schools there which teach that sort of thing. I expect young Darrell went to one at some point in history.

I suggest he counts the lines to check. Three lines in the whole thread does not seem to me to be an overabundance of commercialism.

No. People have two reasons for doing something. One that sounds good and the other is the real reason.

Yapping about minimal promotion is the reason that sounds good. Irritation at being in the company of a superior intellect is the real reason.

With regard to stale comedies on TV my usual procedure is to switch channels. I suggest Darrel switches threads. I bet he can handle it if he really tries. And he is certainly trying.

As for the redoubtable Lord Freddie I have been to his my space thing and am suitably amused.

Good day and thank you all for cheering me up immensely.

mark lewis wrote: I see that he is trying to admire me but can't quite manage it yet. I can give him lessons on the subject since I am terribly experienced in the art of admiring MARK LEWIS. I do it all the time.

Big Ego then? You seem to always talk about yourself and how great you are anyway. Also, you seem to like picking on people for how old they are. I've had a few comments from you about my age and where I live and now you're doing the same to Darryl.

Oh, and I'm glad that you laugh at your own jokes and amuse yourself.

I got my post deleted because I said "thats a matter of opinion" when Mark Lewis said he was innocence personified. I refer to the previous thread about hypnotism in which Mark Lewis insulted just about every person who replied. If anybody else had done that they would have had it locked immediately. Its unfair for the mods to be more favourable to the older members than the younger ones. I'd suggest the mods monitor every post Mark makes from now on and edits out all the condescending c*** (not the best) that might offend.

I see that the deluded 14 year old from Cambridge is waxing irritable again. He really should be doing his homework or practicing his no doubt awful card tricks.

He is of course correct when he says that I am unceasing of my admiration of myself. When one is a genius this is a cross I do have to bear. And regrettably you will all have to bear it too. I give great morsels of my genius to everyone and they can use it to their advantage or not. I give these morsels free of charge monetary wise but there is still a price to pay. The price is that you must indulge my amusement and I must say that you are all doing it rather well.

Again he doesn't have to respond to me or even look at this thread. But he cannot resist. Alas he only has himself to blame.

As for picking on the young it is not entirely true. I pick on old people too. It is merely that the young tend to be more hotheaded and excitable and thus make more frequent targets. That is why they make excellent cannon fodder for wars all over the place.

I must further inform the misanthropic one that I NEVER insult people unless they attack me first. If someone gives me unmitigated praise and glory naturally I will recognise their astute judgement and hang on to their every word. However if people are impertinent then I must naturally reply with all my devastating wit and brilliance.

It ill behooves those who complain about my little barbs when they are the ones who started to be rude in the first place.

I must quote an old Chinese proverb since I want to sound terribly intellectual. "Do not complain about the snow on your neighbour's roof when your own doorstep is unclean"

No do be good boys and go and clean your doorsteps please.

Who are you, Shakespeare?

I've got a Chinese proverb for you: 'If you've got nothing nice to say then don't say anything.' I'm only 15 and I don't get hotheaded and excitable usually, but for you I'm happy to make an exception.

Are any mods going to step in before this bitching continues. Clearly this sterotypical, misogynistic, self-congratulatory 'genius' is way too far up his own to be able to add anything constructive to this, let alone any other, post.

Oh, and Mark, I have some morsels of wisdom for you:
'No do be good boys and go and clean your doorsteps please.' - you may want to add a 'w'?
'Mark Lewis' - mark **** lewis (note the ommitted capitals; your name)isn't worthy.

(mods edit if necessary)

i dont think he should be allowed to promote his products....and also he seems VERY arrogant with the whole "you should look up to me" deal....someone please try to find his ego on a map...o...wait....it is the map
also...how dare you insult ones magic...i absolutly hate people/magicians lioke you whos head is too big to res o nthier shoulders and insults others magic...have you seen it...answer this mark...would you push a kid into magic???? would you push a kid out of magic???the answer to both are yes since you are..people like you are the end to magic as we know it...so thanks

HES TO BLAME???? TO NOT READ IT??? well..when you are insulting him (however old he might be) you have no right to pick on him....its magicians like you who will bring magic down on its ass

ok children both young and old... why do you persist in goading one another all the time?

i dont believe for one second that male pride (and thats all it is) doesnt allow us to let a few comments slip. So what if Mark called someone else a kid.. or if someone called Mark egotistical etc. they are only words and i for one am getting pi**ed off at the whole "i have to get the last comment" type Bullsh*t arguements that continually erupt because someone doesnt like what the other is saying.. if you want to argue then do it in PM.
Also with regards to Mark plugging his own products..is he the only one on here who does this?.. i think not.. the difference is Mark has earned the right to do it by actually contributing useful information to the boards as opposed to the usual type of asshole who just registers to sell dvds etc

this thread will now be locked and all your toys put away for the time being... dont make me put anyone else on the naughty step!