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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn7gc4NzaKE

Please comment. Anything I can improve on?


I am extremely new to magic. Be gentle


Thanks,
Ivan

Would you mind awfully introducing yourself properly first, and making sure you've read the forum etiquette and rules.

dont do an erdnase so quickly, it just looks too much like your thrusting a card somewhere, do it nice and smoothly. and don't square it back onto the deck. what's the point outjogging a card then squaring it back up again, leave it jogged, makes more sense!

and over emphasising that one card is in fact only one card just means that when you don't do it's clearly not. one card is one card, it's enough to just turn it over, or have a spectator turn the top card.

Errrm...

Puzzlingly enough, I watched this expecting to see a first-time poster's attempt at making an impression on the forum, whilst at the same time re-assuring themselves that their investment in cards, time and effort are somewhere near worth it.

For a beginner, you're doing well.

But, as mentioned, good etiquette escaped you, and I'm afraid you'll attract a lot more *bad* remarks than good, just because of your bull-in-a-China-shop approach here.

Personally, I liked your stuff. The 'jerky' Erdnase looked quirky, but in an upbeat sense, and your general style needs smoooooothing out and pacing. Try doing your magic and pacing it to classical music instead of a Rock anthem, metaphorically...

Well done, though.

I am not one for nitpicking criticism and I thought he did pretty good.

I have been doing that Erdnase thing for years and I have made what I consider an improvement. I have never liked the standard thing of outjogging the card and I think it looks highly suspicious and unnatural. I have therefore decided in my great wisdom to bevel the deck inwardly (not outwardly as you may be tempted to do) so that when the card is pushed out it doesn't look like it. I am afraid I have no idea how to describe it so you will all have go through the rest of your lives not knowing how to do it.

Serves many of you right.

I am not a fan of those funny looking decks that Ivan uses. The more mundane your items are the better. The deck looks so peculiar it will give rise to suspicion that it is a trick deck. I think once he gets over the novelty of such a daft deck of cards and returns to regular playing cards he will be far better off.

I know exactly how you feel about showing the world these awesome tricks you've learned!..
I actually just uploaded my own movie.. and was really excited about it aswell

I don't know if you learned those tricks from a DVD, but if you did, watch it again and see how those performers teaching it, do it.. probably a little slower and more mysterious..

as for the different cards.. when I started card magic not to long ago, I browsed the internet for proffesional playing cards.. and offcourse found the blacktiger deck! which looks awesome.. but as said before in this thread, I also discovered that 9 out of 10 times.. spectators ask me if they can examine the deck, cause it looks so suspisious...

I liked your video though.. nice start with flying over your card packs...
and you learned those tricks in 4 days! that pretty amazing.. imagine if you practice for a few weeks without showing anyone..

id love to see more of your videos in the future.. ill keep my eye on youtube..

Good luck

I have to say mark lewis that I agree with you. I have never liked the idea of pushing the card forward. My handling is somewhat different than you describe, but along the same vien. I just like to make it look more like the card never moves, and that nothing is changing.

Thanks so much for the comments guys.

Yeah, I'll certainly start working on normal decks as well. It's true, half the time people think the black cards are trick decks...

And the ednrase change, I was just wondering how you can really show that the card doesnt move up, I've been experimenting with that for awhile and never really found a way to it.

I was also wondering, if the shapeshifter looked believeable, or do you guys think once again it'll be better off on the normal deck?


Thanks,
Ivan

in my opinion the shape shifter was okey.. but maybe you should work on getting the "setup" down smoother.. you can do it faster.. and make it look really casual.. and then do the move

mark lewis wrote: I have never liked the standard thing of outjogging the card and I think it looks highly suspicious and unnatural.

But if the Erdnase change is done properly, you don't see the card being outjogged. As i learned from an Oz Perlman video, as the hand covers the card, the little finger jogs it up slightly, but it's done in the action of covering the card, so you don't see it.

If you catch my drift...

erm... i really dont like one thing about this video. and it normally goes with every magic video i watch. unless it is a feature length program type thing. ditch the music. even tho it is an epic tune ditch it. on the erdnase change, i think the erdnase should be quick and smooth, no matter who does it. it's that asspect of surprise. and on the shapeshifter, i would NOT emphaise the bending of the cards corners, in my experience alot of people have twigged on how it's done because i used to pull back on them loads. simply take the...card... show that it is e.g 2 of hearts, then perform the manouver.
all in all..not bad.

The changes like the Erdnase were too fast. I know quick sudden is effective, but it doesn't apply to all things.

But otherwise, great stuff. The fact that you can do it and solid, that's good.

By the way, you sure have quite a number of decks there. LOL

I have trouble just getting one... And you got five there...

IvanD wrote:And the ednrase change, I was just wondering how you can really show that the card doesnt move up

Check this video out - click on where it says "Erdnase colour change I" to watch the vid. Sorry I can't really offer much help - that's not me in the vid - I wish it was lol

moonbeam wrote:Check this video out

That's a great example of an Erdnase change, he does exactly what i described in my last post, the outjog is done with the little finger, in the action of covering the card, making it pretty much invisible.

Check this video out

That's a great example of an Erdnase change

Interesting, that was actually the only video of the change in which I could get how it's done. Maybe it was because I've seen it dozens of times or because I had unconsciously given up figuring it out, out of frustration. Maybe it was because, based on majortom's comment I went to see it expecting the ultimate change and not worrying about understanding it at all and then it just clicked. Or, I guess, all of the above.

By the way, IvanD, I've been practicing for only a couple days as well and to me those were really well perfomed, for any beginner.