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As for dat's post, I wasn't not planning on selling them.

I see (although I don't quite understand the logic ). Anyway, why not buy one copy of each Gaff deck that is currently on sale (Tiger, Ghost, Red, CAJ etc. and make up a single deck of the cards that YOU like. Put the others to one side and hey presto (where've I heard that expression before ).

Round and round and round we go, where it stops, nobody knows...

Mandrake wrote:OK try http://www.worldmagicshop.co.uk/product ... cts_id=581 but the book would probably be cheaper if you can track down a copy. For specials to order try http://www.magicbycardmaker.com/pageID_2850155.html

Thanks. I'll search for that in a few.

seige wrote:Round and round and round we go, where it stops, nobody knows...

Isn't that from Willy Wonka?

quoting Mandrake: Considering the amount of gaffed cards and gaffed decks on sale by well established suppliers such as cards4magic, Ellusionist, etc, can there actually be a serious quantity of new gaffed cards left to print?

reminds me of this quote i read on a Billboard in the city...
"Everything that can be invented, has been invented."
US Patent Office 1867.

No question the set up costs to produce a custom design print run by the USPCC or in fact any printer would be extrememly high, especially when you are talking a totally unique faced deck.

a couple of possibilities, as has been suggested buy a book on card splitting. i am sure at least one of TM's sponsors would have such a book should you ask. alternatively, Neil Lester specialises in custom design card gaffs. i have bought from him before. his web site is:
http://www.cardsbymartin.com/
he will make custom design cards to order. so perhaps a good solution... at least to begin with would be to buy an existing Gaff deck you like. throw the cards you dont like and replace them with your own designs either made by you or by someone like Neil Lester. then bit by bit replace all the bought deck cards with your ideas.

it will still cost $$$ but nothing like USPCC's min. run quantity... and at least you can do this bit by bit as you can afford it.

alternatively... design your deck on your computer. a Mac with photoshop and or Illustrator would be best. then sell your design (if it's good enough) to someone like Ellusionist.

either way, be creative and adventurous... get out there and make the best Gaff deck ever. hope you prove us all wrong! good luck!

Well, I do have photoshop, and I could use a little cash. I wonder if ellusionist would take any of my ideas? Might as well try. Yeah, I'll probably do most of the design on my computer if I still choose to make a gaff deck. Thanks.

B0bbY_CaT wrote:reminds me of this quote i read on a Billboard in the city...
"Everything that can be invented, has been invented."
US Patent Office 1867.

Sorry for being off-topic, but every time you think you have invented a new sleight or something, bang, its already been done

good for you Donlatt... but remember, for anyone to be interested in buying your concept, it will need to be truely unique and remarkable... a big "ask" but not impossible. perhaps highly unlikely but not impossible.

along the way... you will meet a million people who tell you that "it's impossible"... they will give you 100's of reasons "it" cant be done. that's fine, you only need one reason why "it" can.

be realistic though, most people who try and do what you propose fail. the odds are definately against you. dont take rejection personally. step back up to the plate and try again. afterall... they can put a man on the moon right, surely someone must be able to design a better gaffed deck...LOL!

good luck.

I still think the best advice so far before you start 'designing' a gaff card is to get hold of some gaffs such as the CAJ deck etc, and see what others have done which have proved popular.

Most gaff cards have a reason to exist: and if you really want to get one saleable, or more, you need to get under the skin of why people use gaffs, and what uses they have in the real world.

Part of the design process, probably the most important part, is research. Emulation isn't design, the best designs are based on looking at and analysing things which DO NOT work, and trying to find a way to fill the gap.

I agree - there's nothing like some good old market research before hand

seige wrote:Part of the design process, probably the most important part, is research. Emulation isn't design, the best designs are based on looking at and analysing things which DO NOT work, and trying to find a way to fill the gap.

USPCC has a 5,000 minimum for existing customers - Art work usually runs about $1,000 - $1,500 us - The total cost of my last run was over $10,000 us

Shipping to the UK would add about $5,000 (My cost was $900 and it was by truck from Ohio to California - 1,200 miles).

BY THE WAY.....


I am doing a new deck with Magic Apple - have 12 slots left for anyone who does want a card printed

Cost will be $300 us for 5,000 cards -

We will be sending in in late august so if interested - PM me

good info cajmagic!

you could most likely reduce the frt cost US >>> UK shipping by sea frt, but the fact remains... US$10,000 'ish for 5,000 decks + frt.

by artwork i assume you mean film and set up etc. the actual design of each card is additional. i though best to mention that before people jump up and down suggesting Ellusionist are making $28.00 a pop when they sell a Gaff deck for $30.

thx for the info!

I heard through the grape vine that Ellusionist paid about $4,00 for the artwork for the red deck

My artwork was - as many may know - mostly existing art of cards with a few exceptions - my cost at that was $800

It is expensive

send me some of your ideas to jmartinez639@gmail.com, because I have already made some costum cards, and I am interested in the costum deck!!! please send me some ideas