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Has anyone got any videos of the shuffles from Overhand 2; normal speed and slow? I really have no idea what he's talking about. He says that in the book too; that people find it hard to learn from the description.

Help much appreciated, once again.

No videos but..

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Marvell wrote:Has anyone got any videos of the shuffles from Overhand 2; normal speed and slow? I really have no idea what he's talking about. He says that in the book too; that people find it hard to learn from the description.

Help much appreciated, once again.

Just a plain overhand shuffle? Ups, its so long since I did a plain shuffle I almost forgot how its done

For beginners and intermediates, Harry Loraine Videos/DVDs series, contains all you need to know about the overhand shuffel.
For experts a lot is covered on Allan Ackerman's Advanced Card Control Video/DVD Series.

No, not plain with IJ & UC. The ones in the later chapter; with phalanxes.

The correct position puts the upper left corner of the deck (the left corner furthest away from your body) rests in the 2nd proximal interphalangeal joint. The lower left corner of the deck (the one closest to your body) rests approximately at the Capitate Carpal bone.

I have the 5 DVD set for RRTCM so if you can tell me what details you are looking for I would be glad to check out that section of the DVD and get any details he provides.

Marvell wrote:No, not plain with IJ & UC. The ones in the later chapter; with phalanxes.

Is it the Overhand Lift Shuffle that's irking you?

Sexton Blake wrote:Is it the Overhand Lift Shuffle that's irking you?

Yes, I just can't seems to hold it and force with it correctly. It looks a shambles and I can't drop packet A on command. It just feels awkward. The IJ&B one is coming together, but still looks gappy.

I found that too when I first started. i tended to drop the packet along with extra cards.

Try this. When you do the lift, use your third finger ( ring finger ), when you want to release the packet simply move your third finger away. It look smoot in a mirror, undectectable by spectators and eliminates any problems you might be having. Let me know how this works

My advice is like I.D's. I think in the RRTCM the pics show you holding the 'lifted packet' with somewhere around the middle of your ring finger - that just doesn't give me the kind of control I feel at all confident with (the odd card sometimes 'gets away from me' during the shuffling). So instead I hold it firmly by gripping it at the corner with the middle of the tip of my ring finger (see attached - this shows the 'lifted packet' without the 'shuffling packet' that's normally above it). I find this is much more secure, but it's very easy to release too. Also, I hold the 'shuffling packet' farther out in my hand (that is, closer to the ends of the fingers) than I would do were I shuffling normally.

Having said all that, though, it's not something I'm all that keen on. I think it's a great false shuffle retaining the top card (or stock), but it's far from my favourite force. I've never actually used it for that, and can't see myself ever doing so.

Actually, idly doing this as a way of ushering in 2007 in high style, I find that I most often use my middle, rather than my ring finger. Still the same principle, though: card held by pressure on opposite corners, between tip of finger and base of thumb.

I learned the Hindu Shuffle first (from a Walter Gibson book). When I came to the instructions for the Overhand Lift Shuffle, in Hugard's "Modern Magic Manual", I found that the mechanics were exactly the same.

Barry

Thanks for the advice and the picture. I'm finding that my grip has the index finger over the top and that all I have to do to update my technique is to shift the grip of the main pack from ring finger to middle. This leaves the ring free to do the work here.

I absolutely can't see how using the base of my thumb works, because my hands anre massive and hence so is the break. I'm using the joint in the middle of my finger.

I guess, so long as it's controlled and quite concealed, it's fine.

Marvell wrote:so long as it's controlled and quite concealed, it's fine.

My view entirely. I remember, when I was just starting to learn anything about cards, the book I was reading said of the card spring flourish, 'The most important thing is that the cards must come off the thumb, not the fingers.' I just couldn't get it. But could, after a while, do a perfectly acceptable card spring, with the cards coming off my fingers. Much later I came across another book where the author said, 'The cards can come off the fingers or the thumb - whichever you feel most comfortable with and gives you the most control.' Whatever works best for you is the best way to do it.

I always spring off my fingers. It's a pain to spring over a break otherwise.