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Need some help people...

I'm trying to put together an effect which combines NFW with a four-card transposition. Wouldn't it would be great if you could apparently deal out the four aces at the start of the trick, and ask the specs to sit on them or place their glasses on top of them, or whatever, and then after performing NFW you reveal that these four cards have changed into jokers, kind of like a reverse of the NFW ending. You see what I'm getting at?

I know a couple single card transposition effects using various sleights including DL's, but I can't think of a way of doing it with four cards that flows convincingly.

Any ideas?

sorry. what was i on. the NFW is four jokers turning into aces anyway isn't it. sorry i got confused.
cool. that would be a very cool effect. i think i already have a method of performing this. if you are interested and would like to talk about sleights etc for the trick then pm me

imi_kamoze wrote:Need some help people...

I'm trying to put together an effect which combines NFW with a four-card transposition. Wouldn't it would be great if you could apparently deal out the four aces at the start of the trick, and ask the specs to sit on them or place their glasses on top of them, or whatever, and then after performing NFW you reveal that these four cards have changed into jokers, kind of like a reverse of the NFW ending. You see what I'm getting at?

I know a couple single card transposition effects using various sleights including DL's, but I can't think of a way of doing it with four cards that flows convincingly.

Any ideas?

This is a really neat idea and I think it can be done. I am however not sure if a direct transposition is the best method since you might still have the pack availeble at that stage so a simple switch is possible. Anyway I think you are onto creating a really nice effect, but obviously we cannot discuss it here. Maybe later - if we get so far - we can discuss your ideas at the closed forum

Sounds a lot like a Reset-style effect. I've been performing an effect almost exactly like this, with an instant 4 card transposition. If you'd like we can discuss the technical aspects in a pm.

The effect plays out exactly like you're looking for, so if you're interested in discussing further, let me know.

Thanks for the encouragement guys, it's allways nice to get support for new ideas. I'll send some of you some pm's so we can discuss further.

Ok, after sitting down and thinking through this I have come up with a handling that I think will work. However, I am missing one vital component:

I need a sleight which exchanges one packet of cards for another invisibly, and ideally with the rest of the deck out of arms reach. However, any convincing method will do. I have heard of two sleights that sound suitable.

The first one is called the Macmillan switch (described in Unreal Work by Jason England and Paul Wilson). I don't know the name of the second one but I know it is by Ed Marlo and is used in an effect called "slap that ace" by Lee Asher. I've learnt this from reading old posts on the subject.

I'm not interested in buying these effects, so can anyone tell me where is the best (and cheapest) source to find out more on the actual sleights?

slieghts? to change a deck? now i've heard it all. well...if i was in your shoes...simply have the packet in your hand...preferably be wearing a jacket with easy access outside pockets...say "oh is that my phone going off. go into your pocket with the deck and perform a switch. then say...excuse me...place the deck on the table pull out your phone open it and say...oh it's mother. there's chicken wings in the microwave. how lovely. " very easy and you would probably get laughs as well.

i regularly do packet switches, and always use the same method - occasionally (if i feel good about myself ) I repeat the trick, and havent yet ever been caught. You can see gregory wilson do this switch in the second taught effect in his "card stunts" dvd

Just to clarify what I mean, I need a sleight that exchanges a packet of four cards with another four cards. I don't need to switch the whole deck!

this is 4 cards for 4 cards

Thanks Chris, i might check it out. Looks like a DVD worth buying for the overall package in any case

Have you considered putting them into a 'Himber' style packet - not the cleanest of switches but the fact that someone else could push the cards in may help strengthen the transpo!! (As long as they do not wish to see the packet!!
Another option would be a card case which could even be banded up as long as you have the correct dirty work done to it!!

Andyb wrote:Have you considered putting them into a 'Himber' style packet - not the cleanest of switches but the fact that someone else could push the cards in may help strengthen the transpo!! (As long as they do not wish to see the packet!!
Another option would be a card case which could even be banded up as long as you have the correct dirty work done to it!!

I my modest oppinion these things never works in practice. They are nice "items" one might be tempted to buy in a magic shop, but people are not idiots (but often polite so they will not say anything). The switch has to happen even before they blink. I once watched a very impressive switch (4 esses for 4 king - no additional cards or gaffs involved) what was very fast (but definitly required some slight of hand). I will include the reference/name of the slight when I return from work and check it at home.

A simple 'sleight only' varient would be to use a simple count - ie biddle. to do the work for you allowing you to show jokers and aces - seemingly giving the spec the aces (poss 5crds 1 with DStape??)
Try something like that along with your patter - that way you do not have to go into/near your pocket!!
I agree with the comment above that the props are nice but somethimes useless - it really depends on the audience you have around you at the time!!
I my own experience even poor gimmicks can get a great reaction and should not necessarily be dismissed!! I do agree with what you are saying but as a solution to the problem I was throwing in an idea!!

Sorry Sorren - I misread the meaning of your post!!
Please accept apologies if I sounded like I was sounding off at you!!