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I'm pretty new to coin magic. I picked up bobo's coin magic last year and have been practicing several important coin sleights such as the classic palm, and backpalm. I picked up recently David Roth's expert coin magic made easy, Volume 1. I was a bit disappointed with it, because even though it teaches several sleights, the rountines were lacking. In volume 2, it teaches you how to make a coin melt thru your hand. That type of magic seems more interesting to me, it's more powerful.

Unfortunately for me, I've lost my book magic for dummies as well as Bobo's modern coin magic. I can't find it anywhere. I'm looking for people here on this forum who are very good with coins, so I Could get some pointers.

Thanks

Sadly one of the great coin workers of the late 20th century just past away this morning (Jules Lenear).

My suggestion to you would be to study Jeff McBride's Manipulation video series for starters... learn all you can about general manipulations with varied objects. Not only will this allow you a greater sense of ability and flexibility but you will gain ideas through these alternate areas that will help you create your own coin material.

Routines like Matrix, Coin's Across, Coins through the Table, etc. can be found in numerous books and a few videos... sadly, I'm not aware of any one source that focuses exclusively on this topic so you're going to have to do some searching, digging and most important CREATING on your own; knowing a classic palm and back palm lends to you a multitude of advantages. Add to this a Down's Palm and a couple of false count techniques such as the HengPinChen move, and you're 90% of the way there... the rest is just learning how to work with what you have be it using an extra coin or learning how to use the various gaffs such as shells, two faced coins, etc.

Anyone can learn how to do a trick at the mechanical level but if you want to become a magician, you must learn how to take the idea behind "a trick" and turn it into something that's miraculous as well as unique to you rather than what everyone else is doing. Create your own magic! Look at how you can interchange things; poker chips vs. coins will open your world even further, so think it all over. You already know more than enough to make a serious move in a positive direction.

the one craig states to get jeff mcbride dvd on misers dream and it teaches ya more however the effect is pretty basic so i think if you took the effort to practice for long hours to make it look natural you will do just fine.

For the simplest, most straight forward and founded on years of practical performance of the Miser's Dream, read Patrick Pages book. 24 pages of the real 'know how' published by the finest teacher of Magic in the UK. As PP published this himself you may have to write to him.Check the IBM British Ring Address Book.
The book covers in 24 short 'chapters' ranging from History, the bucket & coins, Necessary sleights,the palms, Basic Routine, extra coins, business, patter & gags etc. etc.
Pat also wrote 14 pages on the MD, with a lot of information on it, in his book, The Big Book Of Magic, published by Wolfe , later in paper back for the General Public.
However it's the 24 page book that gives you all you really need to know.
There is a 'new' routine out on DVD by Chris Capehart at £18 + but i don't know it.
You really must see the late Al Flosso performing his comedy routine. Type Al Flosso into Google and there is a clip from the routine. The 'full' routine can be seen on the video, Son Of Tat No. 9. Published by Vic Pinto. One of your friends must have it. Flosso performs Paper hat, Flowers in Buttonhole and his hilarious Miser's Dream.
Allen Tipton

Craig Browning wrote:Sadly one of the great coin workers of the late 20th century just past away this morning (Jules Lenear).

My suggestion to you would be to study Jeff McBride's Manipulation video series for starters... learn all you can about general manipulations with varied objects. Not only will this allow you a greater sense of ability and flexibility but you will gain ideas through these alternate areas that will help you create your own coin material.

Routines like Matrix, Coin's Across, Coins through the Table, etc. can be found in numerous books and a few videos... sadly, I'm not aware of any one source that focuses exclusively on this topic so you're going to have to do some searching, digging and most important CREATING on your own; knowing a classic palm and back palm lends to you a multitude of advantages. Add to this a Down's Palm and a couple of false count techniques such as the HengPinChen move, and you're 90% of the way there... the rest is just learning how to work with what you have be it using an extra coin or learning how to use the various gaffs such as shells, two faced coins, etc.

Anyone can learn how to do a trick at the mechanical level but if you want to become a magician, you must learn how to take the idea behind "a trick" and turn it into something that's miraculous as well as unique to you rather than what everyone else is doing. Create your own magic! Look at how you can interchange things; poker chips vs. coins will open your world even further, so think it all over. You already know more than enough to make a serious move in a positive direction.

Wow thank you for such a great, detailed post!
I was just wondering if anyone here could do miser's dream, because it is such a hard trick to do. I'm still learning the classic palm, in fact earlier I put up a video of me performing using the classic palm it still might be here but it probably got taken down due to exposure (stupid people on youtube look for exposure on youtube)

Miser's dream is almost one of those effects you learn by accident.

It's principle is a simple one, and you SHOULD be able to do it once you've learned the BASIC MECHANICS of coin work.

As Craig rightly states, don't run before you can walk. I GUARANTEE that if you study a few even basic books you'll pick up the requisite moves to be able to work out Miser's Dream quickly.

There are gimmicks and gaffs available which make it easier, but the basic principle of the effect comes down to pure sleights, and misdirection.

Forget learning it for now, study some books and spend your time practicing moves. As with most areas of magic, once you learn the basics, creating and emulating other effects becomes almost second nature.

With Miser's Dream, you don't need a fancy gaffed bucket either. It's more than possible with a brown paper bag... or, as a challenge, try a clear plastic one :O

I've seen it done with a transparent wine cooler/ice bucket - the cheapo type from Tescos and similar places.

Just thinking about it, I'm sure Pete Firman did a street version on the World magic series he did with Ali Cook... as far as I recall, this was a nice looking version with a big bucket.

I've actually attempted an empty clear bag version before, but it's definately easier with a solid object !

NO, the Miser's Dream is NOT difficult to learn or perform. You only need basic sleights not a lot of finger flinging.Simplicity of handling and well constructed routining are the keys to the Classics of Magic
The BIG DIFFICULTY, as in ALL the Classics Of Magic, is the ROUTINE. THIS CAN ONLY BE BUILT UP BY TRIAL & ERROR, Much REHEARSAL & LIVE PERFORMANCE.in front of an audience. Plus one added difficulty, again as in all the Classics..a definite climax.
DON't start with dvds/videos. Don't become a copy cat.
BEGIN with written instructions. Use your brain and creative processes FIRST. And ONLY THEN check out other magician's handlings of any trick.
Allen Tipton

I like to do a simpler version with a rock glass and only a few coins. I give the illusion that there are many more coins being produced than their are, which adds to the effect.

I have just remembered a very simple version, designed for cabaret but would work well in Close Up.
The magician shows both hands empty, plucks a white handkerchief from his top pocket, & lays it flat on his hand. A form appears under the handkerchief;. Whipping it away there is a full glass of wine, He drinks it, then reaches into the air and produces 11 coins from the air, using both hands and dropping them into the glass.Applause. Finally 4 more pour in a stream from his hand into the glass.
The routine was by Wally Dean and is in the book( once on sale to the General Public) Classic Secrets Of Magic by Bruce Elliott. Published by Faber & Faber, originally in 1953. There are chapters on the Egg Bag, Cups & Balls, Billiard Balls, Paddles, Rice Bowls, Razor Blades From The Mouth, and card tricks from The Ambitious Card and 4 Aces to Producing the Spectator's Card.
It should be in the possession of and read by every magician.
Allen Tipton

In our local 'Pound Store' they have ice buckets about the size of a child's seaside pail, chrome plated with small knob handles either side at the top. Ideal for Miser's Dream and would be very noisy as the coins drop!

Pat Page recommends a CHAMPAGNE bucket, not an ice bucket. It's right for size and ring of coins as they hit the deck.
Stainless steel is best for sound.'drop a coin in before you buy'.
Mine is a Burtini Coin Pail'. This is 5 iches high x 5 inches wide. Smaller than most people use. It looks like a chrome plated( with design round it) flower pot holder and delivers 4 large loads of coins into the hand.
It is copied exactly from the design in Norman Hunter's book, Successful Conjuring For Amateurs.
Bill Powell( Burtini) was a friend to me when I was 14 onwards in the Staffs Magic Society. I still have his Chinese Sticks and routines for Cups & Balls and Linking Rings.
Alas his Dove Pan, Cups & Balls, Milk Churn Foo Can and several other items went into Club Sales years ago.
Allen Tipton

Years ago I performed the version from Walter Gibson's book "What's New in Magic". He uses a gimmicked glass - I used a transparent plastic cup.

For a different approach, see p. 200 of the Mark Wilson Course.

Barry

my misers sequence for kids involves one sleight a down's and a bucket from woolies for putting flowers in.
basicly its produce, tap into bucket, rinse and repeat ending with a jumbo tiped into there hands so you can see it can be realy simple.

for adults i use the same downs but false transfer to my other hand and a coin dropper finishing with a 1-4 jumbo coin production, the coins don't go into a pail but into a cascade, sort of a vertical cylaphone.