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Hi all,

I was wondering if I could get some help on my Riffle Pass. I want to know how I can take it to the next step. As you will be able to see from my link, you can clearly see when the top packet comes off before the riffle. Do I just need some pure speed to hide this or do I need another movement?

It looks amateurish, and I want it to look polished. Clean. Effective. Are my fingers in the right positions? Is the riffle to short or long? Maybe it needs to be shot at a more natural angle?

I just need some help. Please help me with some tips. I want to be able to use a Riffle Pass in my ambitious card routine, where it just looks like when you riffle the cards, it comes to the top (face up). A sweet addition, in a natural motion.

Any help will be very much appreciated. Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucBcIPMV4yA
^^^^^^^^Sorry I just uploaded the video, the link is working fine now.



OH thanks about the tip on misdirection, yeah I'm sure that they will look up at the precise moment Thanks again. **However in some cases the misdirection isn't needed**:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbRj5hhFtf4<Best Riffle Pass I have ever seen.

Do I just need some pure speed to hide this or do I need another movement

the magical thing your looking for is called "misdirection". the split second before you do the riffle pass stop looking at the deck and look directly at one of the spectators, if you do the head movement quickly it will catch on most of the specs peripheral vision and 99% of them will lift their heads at the same time

Yeah i agree with mog.. ive done this many of times in my routines.. and im not a pro at this pass but i can still do it every time ive looked up and there eyes looked at mine thats when i perform it. very VERY good advice..

Also.. how long ago did u post that vid.. because we cant access it yet

I was going to offer some tips when I saw this post, but after viewing the clip...you do it much better than me, so I won't bother...lol

I really can't see anything wrong there at all.

Seems very fluid, and I doubt it would be seen if you follow Mog's advice and misdirect at the point of the move.

A simple bit of getting eye contact would work. The mechanics are pretty much sorted!

If you are absolutely determined to do this without misdirection or have desire to perfect it for inspected use then I have the following advice. It might sound a bit cryptic, but that's becuase I'm trying not to reveal. My pass is not perfect, but I think I can help.

You must practice using a camera not a mirror and have it set at the correct and for your spectators. In this way, you can keep your eyes elsewhere and become used to what it feels like to do the pass correctly.

First, your fingers should be used to cover the first action. More importantly, there is an angle at which you can tilt your hands to make it invisible. Don't over tilt or it looks suspicious.

Next, ensure that you are utilising all of the available space in your right hand. The more space you use up there, the less you need outside.

Thirdly, keeping the wrists and elbows relaxed is crucical, otherwise it looks stiff and weird. I practiced whilst moving my hands round and around to avoid this.

You might find, as I did, that taking a route which ofsets the moving bit towards you slightly means it's less obvious. Sounds weird, but I'm sure you know what I mean.

All in all, you must start slow and get it perfect before increasing speed.

If you've got some spare cash, get Ninja 1, if not, don't bother.

Marvell wrote:If you are absolutely determined to do this without misdirection or have desire to perfect it for inspected use then I have the following advice.

Wrong!

I thought it looked really good. I couldn't really see anything wrong at all, but as said above a little bit of misdirection necer hurts.

seige wrote:

Marvell wrote:If you are absolutely determined to do this without misdirection or have desire to perfect it for inspected use then I have the following advice.

Wrong!

Are you saying my advice is wrong or that it's just plain wrong to do it without misdirection?

Mate... the pass isn't meant to be 100% invisible. Even the most skilled working cardician would advise you to misdirect.

The movie above is a fluid pass, very few hand movements, no major deck movement.

The pass relies on angling yourself correctly, and on taking the spectator's mind off it at the split second you make the pass.

It's possible to camouflage a pass with another move before/after, but I really think it's wrong advice to tell people that their pass should be practiced until it's totally invisible.

It's almost like telling someone a TT should be an exact mimic of your own appendage.

..any misdirection would be good, just look at someone and ask them a question, even if its "are you sure you are thinking of your card" or "did everyone get a look a the card so-and-so took?" and look around...

wherever you look or direct, your audience will look...

seige wrote:Mate... the pass isn't meant to be 100% invisible.

I know that, but yes, maybe my phrasing implied that it could be. "Inspected use" was a poor choice of words. I meant unmisdirected, or something like that. I'm happy that my pass needs no misdirection so long as it's not being stared at.

Marvell wrote:I'm happy that my pass needs no misdirection so long as it's not being stared at.

Teehee...

That's a class example of tautology.

seige wrote:That's a class example of tautology.

*double smirk*

if you want to be absuloutly sure that the spectator looks up, i've always found that i quick touch on their arm as you make a comment never fails. I wouldn't always do this, but some people deliberatly resist misdirection, and once you tap their arm and say something like "you remember your card, right?" they have to look up and say "yes", and as they do BAM you can do whatever you want with that deck.