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It does? I thought Daivd Roth invented it.

k ill look further

Markdini wrote:It does? I thought Daivd Roth invented it.

Under "Coin Vanishes" Bobo covers "The Slide Vanish" by John Mulholland.

Quote from Bobo:

"Because of the reliable peculiarity of the eye called retention of vision, the spectator "sees" the coin go into the hand and is very much surprised when the magician shows it isn't there."

No, it was not invented by Roth. Rather, it was invented by evolution and magicians "in the know" have been using it for many, many years.

Mike.

I stand corrected.

Well i cant find it in here i press ctrl f and type in those words and it doesnt come back and in fact like only three things from the list of ten i cant fin in here

Like I said, AJ, learn your basics first.

You learn to crawl, then you learn to walk, eventually you can run without falling down.

That is just the natural scope of life...So it is with magic, too.

You can't learn algebra unless you know your basic math.

Study the basics, young man.

Choose a trick that you like first, then learn the sleights that you need to do that trick.

Like I said, knowing how to rebuild a transmission is really useless knowledge if all you are doing is changing a tire.

Mike.

Markdini wrote:I stand corrected.

And we all stand on the shoulders of giants. There is very little in the world of magic that hasn't been covered decades, if not centuries, ago.

The mentalists of today can be traced back to "The Discoverie of Witchcraft" circa the 1600s. Even Banacheck himself teaches effects that were covered by Scot in that book.

As one of my friends put it, "I don't buy any new coin tricks because I find that most of them are already found in Bobo."

Too true.

Mike.

AJ wrote:Well i cant find it in here i press ctrl f and type in those words and it doesnt come back and in fact like only three things from the list of ten i cant fin in here

You won't find several of those things in there...At least, not as listed. One in particular, the spellbound change, came out after Bobo was published. See, even though Bobo is as complete a book on coins as you can get, there have been a few new things put out onto the market after the printing of that book. It's kind of like the old saying, "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again."

So, Bobo is not the end all of coin magic. But, it's pretty close.

Also, the reason that I can find things in that book that your ctrl f won't find is because I've actually taken the time and read the book. Cover to cover. Taking notes and annotating the book.

As an example, click here. See, the vanish known as "The Messiah Vanish" is not mentioned in Bobo. Nevertheless, it IS in Bobo, but under the original name. If I were using an e-book and tried to ctrl and f "The Messiah Vanish" I would believe that it isn't in the book. But, that's not how it is. I actually took the time to read the book. That's the reason, specifically, that I know David Roth did not invent the retention of vision vanish. Had I not read the book, I would have had to agree with Markdini and believe that it was Roth's machination to begin with.

That, sir, is what YOU need to do. Rather than have folks tell you what you should learn and what you shouldn't, you need to read the book and learn what you think you should learn. That's really the point behind the book.

If you read the book, I wouldn't have to tell you that it suggests that the three most important sleights are the classic palm, the finger palm and the thumb palm. You'd already know it and you'd already have learned them.

Learn to crawl. Then learn to walk. Soon you'll be sprinting.

Learn to be patient and learn to read real books - not e-books.

Mike.

why the retention vanish well because you end up on fingertip rest which is were you want to be for your classic, yes you can use others its just the way i was taught.

I see your logic Mr Discoman.

and its only a short hop from there to heal clip, so you have a vanish a classic, heal and a load for a reaperance all in one nice easy learn package which you can then build on.

and of cause once you have your classic your one step away from a friction pass for coins across.