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This is an awesome clip of Derren Brown using something called "NLP" to tricking this guy into wanting a BMX bike. http://youtube.com/watch?v=befugtgikMg

Damn. I wish I didn't know he was trying to make him say he wanted a BMX so I could see if it worked. How did he know it was red aswell?

The effect that the audience sees and that which the spectator sees are two very different things.

LeftEye wrote:How did he know it was red aswell?

If you noticed, the only colors in the room were white and red. Since people never really notice things are white, the color red stood out everywhere.

Does anyone know what NLP stands for?

monker59 wrote:Does anyone know what NLP stands for?

neuro linguistic programming

Yep, although I reckon a more sure-fire method was employed here... but let's not speculate.

Right. What he's doing, while cleverly disguised and packaged as NLP for the lay audience, instead relies on clever mentalism effects and his amazing ability to create a strong dual reality between the participant and the audience.

what the hell...Really? How?...am i missing something...

ollieinthelight wrote:...am i missing something...

hehe. With Derren, you almost always are.

Derren says he uses no actors or stooges. That's correct. He doesn't however, claim that you're seeing the whole picture. There could be preshow work or other "tricky things" you don't know about.

When I first started watching Derren Brown, I thought he was a god of some sort. The more interested I became in mentalism, however, the more I realised how unimpressive the actual methods could be while still maintaining an amazing air of mystery by dressing it up the right way.

I still think Derren is an amazing performer, but now I respect him not for his methods, but for his ability to dress it up in order to appeal to the lay audience. Derren is a master of making the participant and the audience have two amazing, yet very different effects.

Think of some mentalism principles, combined with magical techniques and the "dual reality" Derren (and, of course, his writers and consultants) is so clever in creating and you'll have a reliable, foolproof method that you can make LOOK like NLP or some other psychological technique.

Notice the language derren uses.

"Let me explain to you how i "bike" gifts" - Listen carefully he does say it

"This is the best way to "handle Bar" none" - Handle Bars?

They get all "pumped up" - Tyres....

"Two Tired" Bottle of win" - Bike wheels

"Bike" creating a strong feeling of desire for that object - Says it again

Really nice car like a BM or X box or something like that - BMX

tThats what you guys are missing lol. Listen very carefully and you shall hear. Very clever use of language.....
Quite proud of myself for spotting this lol

EDIT: I really should watch it all the way through, tells you everything i just did at the end I'm an idiot lol

i do know quite a lot about mentalism but i can see no foreseeable way that it sould be a use of dual reality...unless...i don't know...its getting really confusing and stressing trying to speculate lol...i just can't see it and Sir Digby, i don't know if that was all sarcasm, but he does show the language he uses at the end of the clip unless you missed that lol

EDIT: Yes you are an idiot

*Climbs sheepishly down from high horse*

Still a very good effect though. Not too sure whether i believe the effect is real or put up....

One thing I would offer as an explanation would be to have him write down several gift ideas and choose one as Derren (or one of his representitives) puts it into an envelope (b****t sw***h of some sort), seals it, has the envelope signed. "Is this the gift you really want? You can change your mind if you'd like."

Once he gets to the studio, with distractions abound, he thinks he's holding an envelope with a slip of paper that says "Leather Jacket." He opens it and it reads "BMX Bike." He's blown away.

Two factors can be included as to why he insists he never wrote that. First, he could have simply forgotten. It's amazing what a spectator will remember and forget about a performance--usually exactly what you tell them to remember or forget. Second, consider how Derren got his start: hypnosis. Hypnotic amnesia isn't all that difficult to achieve--it often just boils down to telling someone that they will forget.

Ciao,
Rob

so are you saying that when they said they did it all over the phone that it was all a lie of some sort...