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I don't know how Derren Brown would be allowed to transport someone from one country to another, you know with airport security so high nowadays. And are you even allowed to take someone abroad without their verbal permission when the flight takes place. It's like me going down the street, knocking a guy out and then ploping him on a plane to Australia!

I don't think Derren Brown would use stooges however.

But I can't think of a logical answer.

the guy was asked to sign a contract and i bet you that derren forced trick upon him

I know but are you telling me you could just go up to customs with a signiture, saying it's this mans signiture and then them letting you jet off to Marrakesh.

It was funny though when he woke up and he looked so lost. Especially when he came out of the shop that the photobooth was in.

with a CONTRACT anything is possible these days.

I had the same thoughts as TheLondonI. Yes it was a contract, but how did the airport staff know it was his, and that he had signed it. To be honest, I think the contract must have been for show, because a contract signed in the dark while half asleep cant be water tight.

i think that there was an initial contract which he signed when accepting to be one of the people on the show. that contract may have had the flight details e.t.c

It was quite an interesting show although I was a bit disappointed with it. I liked the League of Gentlemen part, that was very nicely done.

I did forget to set the video though But good old 4 on Demand saved the day again

The show is all very clever but it probably suffers from being too clever.

The trick or treat cards are there to prevent people from saying it's all stooges and setup. Brown, Nyman et al know that people will be freeze-framing sections of the show and posting the caps all over internet forums. The ambigram will be quickly noticed and spread around, instantly raising the question of why, if the programme is setup, would Derren Brown bother using ambigrams. Unfortunately, the ruse appears to have backfired and people are simply suggesting the trick/treat cards are a weakness.

The man who slept is way to Marrakesh has been entirely explained in another thread on this forum. Again the show has suffered from being too clever, attempts at world record hypnosis have backfired, leaving Brown accused of faking the whole thing.

There is an irony in the Marrakesh effect that appears to have been completely missed. It is not Derren Brown who should be accused of overstepping the boundries of credulity.

I would like to know in what way you believe the show suffers from being too clever?

Obviously Nyman and Derren will know that the ambigram will be noticed almost immediately and also that people will realise this is so Derren can chose, leading them to the conclusion that it is not actually setup.
I would suggest that anyone who thinks that because they noticed the cards, they were not meant to and therefore it is simply a weakness of the show is deluding themselves - Throughout the show there we're several bits suggesting ambigrams, such as the black screen with the writing on, where the border is rotated on the second occourance.

Also, I'm interested to know what exactly you mean by: 'There is an irony in the Marrakesh effect that appears to have been completely missed. It is not Derren Brown who should be accused of overstepping the boundries of credulity.'

JackWright wrote:I would like to know in what way you believe the show suffers from being too clever?

I explained why I believed the show suffers from being too clever in the post. You yourself explain exactly why when you say: "anyone who thinks that because they noticed the cards, they were not meant to and therefore it is simply a weakness of the show is deluding themselves"

Why would Derren Brown want any of his viewers to have the false belief that his show has weaknesses?

Also, I'm interested to know what exactly you mean by: 'There is an irony in the Marrakesh effect that appears to have been completely missed. It is not Derren Brown who should be accused of overstepping the boundries of credulity.'

If you don't know what I mean, then you don't know the method. To explain it any further would be exposure.

Very intertaning! I am amazed why anyone suggest its a setup? The quiz suggest that either its a setup or it is "mind reading".

Clearly it is neither! The program was a treat, based on tricks!

To people who wondered how he did it, just ask yourself what exacly was the wording of the document the guy signed!!

The effect with the mars bars and the chairs was very nice!

Excellent showmanship.

They were chocolate rolls, silly! :p

copyright wrote:

JackWright wrote:I would like to know in what way you believe the show suffers from being too clever?

I explained why I believed the show suffers from being too clever in the post. You yourself explain exactly why when you say: "anyone who thinks that because they noticed the cards, they were not meant to and therefore it is simply a weakness of the show is deluding themselves"

Why would Derren Brown want any of his viewers to have the false belief that his show has weaknesses?

That was my point, that in reality he wants viewers to notice it, or knows they will, but does not want them to think of their noticing of it simply as a weakness and thus includes the clues.

copyright wrote:If you don't know what I mean, then you don't know the method. To explain it any further would be exposure.

Well, that's very interesting, but I think slightly too cocky to suggest that you 'know' the entirety of the method, not just a small part of it. I was commenting on your use of the word 'irony' with relation to how the Marrakesh effect, so, as far as I can see, the method is somewhat irrelivant.

If, as I believe you say I am, I am overlooking something or have misinterprited your comment, then perhaps you'd like to PM me to clarify.

most tv magcians have a magcial consultant who helps them prepare something. if there was a way to get his/her name we could then easily find out how it was done.

and so they will not publish him/her in the credits

well, Derren's consultants are Nyman, also Luke Jermay occasionally and Jonathan Goodwin (who he also stayed with whilst planning Russian Roulette) for the new series. As far as I know there is no one else.