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See, I've developed this coin effect recently that is pure commercial genius, it packs small and plays big, hitting real laypeople hard right between the eyes anytime anywhere. At least it's quite good.

What it needs though is a decent second phase. At the moment it's a transposition effect whereby a copper coin is placed in one hand, a silver in the other and after a magical gesture they change places (the patter's about how they're like the poles of a magnet and always want to jump back to their original positions). In the third phase one coin goes in the spec's hand and one in yours and they change places through clenched fists, not massively original but pretty powerful none the less. Also I'm quite proud of the handling and the apparent fairness of it all.

However the second phase is a bit of a lame duck. I thought it would be quite cool to talk about how the coins would leap visually then open my hands and muscle pass them back. In front of a mirror it looked quite good but in reality people think you're merely chucking them. So for now what I need is another way to make them change places in a slightly more impressive way than the first before the last phase.

The way I do the first bit is to pick up the right hand coin and false transfer to my left hand, leaving it in cp. The other coin is then clearly picked up by the right hand and held in that finger tip clip against the heel of the hand position (don't know the name sorry). I make a waving motion and chuck the protruding coin into my left loosely open fist as my hands cross then open them to show the coins have jumped back to their original places. It's a nice little moment.

Unfortunately I've been wracking my brains for a way to go better than this but can't come up with a good middle section. Anyone got any idea what to do? Obviously this thread could come a bit close to exposure and what not as there'll need to be some mechanical discussion so pm me if you like.

Cheers homeys.

What if you took a playing card and put it over one of the coins on the table. Then you took the other coin and held it underneath the table. Once the magic word is said you lift up the playing card and remove your hand from underneath the table revealing that the coins have switched places.

Ah good thinking. I wouldn't want to use a card but the idea of making them go throught the table is good, it would build nicely from the first phase up to the in their hands bit.

Well done sir.

No problem .

well. instead of using a table, why not use your own hands. you could bring greg rostami's stuck into the routine (along the lines of that) show that a 2p is clearly on top of your hand...give it a rub and it pass through and falls itno your other hand.

but on another note, does there have to be a middle phase. the first and final phase would appear to be great as they are.

I thought about leaving it then remembered someone somewhere telling me how three phases is perfect, the magic number and all that, and I would like the effect to last longer than it would with just the two.

a way to add the mussle pass into the routine would be to talk about the fact that not only do the poles temporarily change so does the effect of gravity.
"have you ever seen a coin fall up" mussle pass.
then you could always go on to do coin on shoulder.

Hey Bronz, if you haven't already, you might want to check out Jay Sankey's Kung Fu Coin Change. It's a similar routine, which offers an incredibly sneaky sleight that might be right up your alley. Unfortunately, I think it's only available on his 3 ring circus dvd.

You may already know what the sleight it - so if you're interested, pm me and we can discuss.

I still think the muscle pass phase can work. If your pass is good, it won't look like they're being "tossed" at all - and disco's suggestiong about reversing gravity is a great starting point for the patter.

the muscle pass idea sounds good to me!

Ta for the feedback guys. Demitri, I'm interested in the Kung Fu change thing, could you give me a pm with details of what happens (not necessarily how it works) as I'm certain I've seen it somewhere but I can't find it in my collection. I was 80% sure it was on Revolutionary Coin Magic but I can't see it there.

Anyway for now I've gone with Monker's idea of the coins transposing through the table. I've thrashed out a method that looks fair (they clearly see the copper coin go in the hand and under the table then two seconds later it's transposed with the silver one) but it's mildly fiddly. Fortunately not so fiddly that I won't be able to nail it with a few day's practice but definitely the trickiest bit of the routine.

That leaves a solid effect in my opinion, starts with the coins transposing in your hands, then through a table, then in their hands. I shall practice and test and report back.