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Does anyone have experiece of both of these ITR?

Any comments, are either any good and if so which would be the better choice?

I have the spider pen and these are my views:
Pro's:
- Pretty much anyone can use it, from beginner to pro. ITR's need more getting used to.
-Much more forgiving than using an ITR, purely because if you make a big mistake you just purchase a new reel - for about a fiver (from USA) and you're all set again. If you make a big mistake with an ITR, can't find the end e.t.c you have to get a replacment. THis is a costly and time consuming experience, unlike the spider pen.
-You can move very far away from the object.
-You can do everything with it that an ITR can and more.
-The thread is both very thin and quite strong.

Con's:
- The battery runs out pretty quickly, however they can be purchased relativley cheaply. (You don't have to buy the Yigal Mesika Spider Pen Batteries)
- If you break the thread it is sometimes very hard to find the end as the whole thing gets tangled. The thread loses the wax and the motor is still running, mixes the end of the thread with all the reel, you get the idea.
-If you love the lid, your stuck. THis protects the wax from being spun around the motor, losing the wax. I've lost this the hard way and now have to keep hold of the wax. I've tried makeshift replacments but with no avail.

I have mixed view on it, but I still find myself using it all the time! I think someone has recently reviewed the Kevlar Pen but I'm not definete.

Really what you need to compare is the the spider pen and an ITR cos the Kevlar pen is just a ITR in pen casing, unlike the spider pen which replaces the reel with a motor.

thanks for the help. I've taken a punt and ordered one, i had some money left over when i left my last job so little risk I guess.

Which one are you purchasing, the spider pen?

ooops sorry not that clear,

Yes I went for the spider pen, just waiting for it to arrive..

Let me know what you think about it when it arrives

I sure will do, thanks for the advice, no doubt i'd be looking for help on some routines etc as apart from the hummer card it's my first steps into IT

I like doing a Gregory Wilson trick called ' The Ring Thing.' I believe it is in Gregory Wilson in Action Vol.3 and then proceding to float the ring. I also do a haunted deck variation. ( I don't believe I can say which)

I have the Kevlar reel pen.

The spider pen is only meant to be able to float very light objects.. according to reviews.

The kevlar thread is a lot stronger and while the retraction distance is a little shorter, you are still supposed to be able to get 15' retraction on it.

I havent played with it too much yet, though I had problems with the retraction on it and Ice sent mine back for a replacement as James George advised that it sounds like I got a dodgy one.

Ok I've now had some time to play with this little device as it arrived with other items.

I've so far not managed to break any thread though I've only been trying to float a £10 note.

It's better quality than I thought it would be and is super silent, it sometimes retracts a little too quick for my liking but then what would I expect? I guess it's doing its job and can be controlled with finger and thumb a little.

Had a couple of great reactions as I was playing with this on the tram sticking it to the chair in front, you definalty need to wear dark clothing as well.

A nice little toy in all and worth the investment if simply for the no set up, good quality gimmick