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Yes, I understand. Thank you for your thoughts. And these are only samples of the chapters.

I agree it is a lot to live up to when Jay Sankey or Darwin Ortiz or Ken Weber have discussed it in their bestsellers. But my thoughts are different, since they are the thoughts of a 14 year old. I know they are not necessarily different from other's works, but mine is discussing the situation for teenagers by a teenager.

I do agree with what you have said, however, and am thinking on it. I do not plan on releasing these thoughts as a public affair, but just to keep them to myself if I ever do, say, a presentation or, in the future, a lecture.

Thank you!

Michael Kras

Bottom Line:

seige wrote:You may also want to read some of the forum's other post.

The same, and more, and better, is available on here for free.

Hello Again,

Sorry for the continuous posts, but I just had a thought:

Some of the younger magicians on this forum like my thoughts while the magicians older than myself have some other things to say about this. Guess who I am going to market this to?

Like I said in my last post, I have decided this isn't going to be published as a book, but rather talked about at a speaking presentation or lecture directed to younger magicians who want to try creating magic.

Cheers!

Michael Kras

I know they are not necessarily different from other's works, but mine is discussing the situation for teenagers by a teenager.

Why would a teenagers point of view be preferable to an adult such as those named above. When peolple buy books they are after good advice, which you have admitted can be found elsewhere. What you have written about doesnt actually have any relevance to age.
The best advice I can give is to slow down on the forum a bit (you have plugged two books in the space of a few days), get to know some of the members. You will find those with similar ideas as you. Perhaps PM a few of these with ideas to get some feedback instead of going straight to a poll.

Thank you for your advice. I understand it has nothing to do with age, but it seems as though younger magicians find my thoughts very informative. Just wanted to get my thoughts heard!

Thank you!

Michael Kras

Also, Michael Jay:

I have decided not to sell this, but rather discuss it during my lecture or a speaking presentation.

Mr. Regs wrote:The best advice I can give is to slow down on the forum a bit...

Where have you heard that advice before, Michael?

Mr. Kras wrote:...but it seems as though younger magicians find my thoughts very informative. Just wanted to get my thoughts heard!

Of course they find your thoughts informative - you've got something to give and nobody is denying this fact. What they are trying to tell you, though, is that you aren't offering anything new.

Have you read "The Trick Brain?" (Fitzkee) Or, have you read "The Books of Wonder?" (Wonder & Minch) Or anything by Burger? Or Ammar? Or Nelms?

You further wonder why we "older guys" are pushing against you so hard...Maybe it's because we have some kind of conspiracy going against you...Or, maybe, just maybe, it's because we see that you have something to give and we are simply trying to stop you from making a very bad name for yourself - something that will hinder you in the future, when you are one of us "old guys." Have you ever stopped to consider the ramifications of the reputation that you are giving yourself right here and now?

You are writing these books, with no background for writing to begin with. Have you ever wondered why almost every book with the name "Houdini" on it was actually authored by Walter B. Gibson? Or have you considered why most of Blackstone's books were authored by Gibson? Do you realize that there is more to writing a book on magic than just knowing some tricks and giving a bit of theory? Do you know who Walter B. Gibson was?

Maybe it's time that you stopped telling and started listening...You have 5 good decades ahead of you, you have time. But, if you make a bad reputation for yourself right now, then it will take 2 of those decades simply trying to get rid of that bad reputation...Is that what you want?

I hate to be so hard on you, man, but you really need to slow down.

Mike.

Michael,

I apologize. I have read different books on the theory of magic and I know what I am offering isn't entirely new... but they ARE my thoughts.

The last thing I want to do is get a bad reputation here or anywhere. I apologize for writing out my thoughts. How was my style of writing, by the way? Couldn't have been too similar to Sankey or Ammar or Eugene Burger.

Thank you, and I will refrain from posting such nonsense from now on.

Michael Kras

If I were a teenager, I'd rather buy a book by someone older looking back on the experiences of their teenage magic years rather than by someone looking forward to them and who's discovering what might be only a small subset of possible experiences for the first time. You're at the start of a journey, not the end.

I said this isn't a book, but just my thoughts! I plan on speaking or lecturing with this in the future, but for now, I am still working on it. It is meant for beginners in magic or for anyone that wants to begin creating.

I do see your point, however, and thank you!

Michael Kras

M. Kras wrote:Thank you, and I will refrain from posting such nonsense from now on.

This is a defeatist attitude. What you are writing is NOT nonsense and there is no reason for you reacting to what I've said as such. This is my point, though - you need to mature.

He further wrote:I apologize. I have read different books on the theory of magic and I know what I am offering isn't entirely new... but they ARE my thoughts.

There is no need for apology, here. Moreover, nobody is denying that these are your thoughts. Nobody is accusing you of plagiarism. However, what we are telling you (or, what I'm trying to say) is that these thoughts are already available and not only are they available, but they are discussed in greater detail and depth than you are giving us with your offerings.

Which books have you read, by the way?

In query, he wrote:How was my style of writing, by the way?

Your writing style is good, but it also needs to mature. If you are considering writing (in any industry) as a future goal, may I suggest that you pick up a copy of "On Writing Well" (Zinsser) and "The Elements of Style" (Strunk & White), aside from taking creative writing classes when you hit college.

Mike.

Michael,

Thank you again for your advice. The books I have read are:

Beyond Secrets by Jay Sankey
Maximum Entertainment by Ken Weber

I have also watched Ammar's videos and he teaches a lot about this sort of thing. Timing, presentation, etc.

You are correct, and I did not mean to sound like you were accusing me of plagurism. Thank you for the book recommendations.

"Nonsense" was a poor choice of word.

Thank you!

Michael Kras

Hi Michael,

A couple of points, which you may find useful, or could, at least give a little thought to:

- Many, many folks, will share issues like this in an on-line blog; it's probably more useful in this form for quite a few reasons. Chief amongst these for you, at the moment, would be - you'll only get interested parties reading, and returning, and will so be better-placed to judge the comments which are left for you there. It really would be a far better forum for something like this, and you could easily link to it from your TM sig.

- Secondly, you might want to consider NOT replying to each and every response you get to your posts here; instead, try to wait until you've got 4-5 new responses, and then answer ALL of these in ONE new post of your own. Many of us here will be updating our TM browsing, by using the 'View All new Posts Since Your Last Visit' search, and it does get rather frustrating to see so many of these threads being bumped by comments from you that are no more than 2-3 lines, and don't really move the thread along, or add anything useful.

Looking at your Profile, you're currently avering 23 posts per day , and looking back at your 50 most recent posts....well, you'll see what I mean, if you check youself.

Some Forums out there would actually consider this to be 'Spamming', which is possibly why you're receiving so many posts which essentially are asking you to 'slow-up' somewhat.

I do hope you'll take these suggestions in the manner in which they're offered...not as critisims, in any way, shape, or form...more like a little helpful advice, which may help out

Rob

Thank you very much! I will definitely consider starting up a website or blog on this for beginners. I do not take any of it as critisisms. I know I post a lot, but I am very enthusiastic when it comes to magic: I live magic, breathe it, and quite often, type it. I will also not reply to every post I get. (OOPS! I did it again didn't I? OK Last time for sure!

Michael Kras

It's good to see how well you've taken the suggestions to heart Michael; since your last post on this thread (no more than 3 Hours ago) you've posted no less than THIRTEEN more times...again, the majority being 3-4 line replies.

I'm sorry - there's enthusiasm, and there's being plain annoying...