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by **sammy1779** » Jun 5th, '07, 12:19

[quote="katrielalex"] Or, for a laugh, "Queen of Hearts! No? *shrug* You never know!".

Brilliant... !

by **I.D** » Jun 5th, '07, 12:38

I will usually turn slightly to the right as I call the person on the very right to come in closer.. as I shift my body I do the pass then immediately take the person on the right by the arm and pull them close in.. then continue with the routine. My pass is usually covered by a riffle or a shift of the body.

by **Giggles** » Jun 5th, '07, 13:07

You are suffering from "Magician's Guilt". Everyone does especially at the start. In truth I do not know of anyone who does the pass invisibility especially when you know what to look for but remember lay people do not know what you are going to do.

If sometime is burning your hands don't do it. Do not rush things. Simply wait for the right moment it will come. All the advice given about asking questions and/or making a joke is good advice and will fill in any awkward gaps.

Remember presentation is everything. A lot will depend on your particular style. I tend to be fairly animated and move my body a lot so I have plenty of cover to do the dirty deed and of course jokes always work particularly if they are corny. They groan - I pass.

I say just go for it. The more you do a move the more natural it will become.

Gordon
www.MrGiggles.co.uk

by **Michael Jay** » Jun 5th, '07, 13:47

sauruman wrote:I've been working on my pass for about a week now and ive gotten it down pretty good...

Doesn't anyone aside from myself see an immediate problem here?

Mike.

by **magic_evmeister** » Jun 5th, '07, 14:35

Here's a quick little idea for a trick using the pass...

Have a card selected and returned (then passed to the top, naturally).

Now tell them they will cut to their own card and use the criss-cross force or the cut deeper force.

Simple but fun and great for practicing your pass.

by **Marvell** » Jun 5th, '07, 15:06

Michael Jay wrote:
sauruman wrote:I've been working on my pass for about a week now and ive gotten it down pretty good...

Doesn't anyone aside from myself see an immediate problem here?

I practiced my pass for an hour a day for a month before I was happy to perform it.

I find that one can, as seige points out, just wait for an offbeat. You're going to be talking anyway, so just wait.

A definite no no is to say "Right", "OK" or anything else which sounds like a filler.

by **I.D** » Jun 5th, '07, 16:47

Was it Max Malini who, when asked what he would do when he needed to perform a sleight when his hands were being burned, replied 'I wait' and then when asked if they still burn his hands what he would do, replied ' I wait some more '

something like that and I forget where I heard it.

by **Michael Kras** » Jun 5th, '07, 16:56

"So your card is not on top or on bottom"

When performing Turnover Pass.

by **Beardy** » Jun 5th, '07, 16:58

I never liked saying that...it seems condesending...they placxe it in the middle, so there is no need to say it aint on the bottom or top.

i mean yeah, i used to do that, but it seemed pretty daft to me

by **Wills** » Jun 5th, '07, 17:06

I never mention the position of the card as I should have no idea where it is If I can think of nothing to say to do with the story/patter of the trick. I just ask the spec to concentrate on their card and nothing else, your not thinking of any other card are you? etc

by **Michael Jay** » Jun 5th, '07, 17:49

Michael Kras wrote:"So your card is not on top or on bottom"

When performing Turnover Pass.

Mr. Kras, this could only serve to draw immediate attention to the deck and your hands. This is precisely what you should be trying to avoid.

I strongly suggest - strongly - that you invest in "The Books of Wonder" (Wonder & Minch).

If you are serious, Mr. Kras (and you are asking us to believe that you are serious), you will read both volumes, take notes and annotate the books themselves.

Take that advice to the bank.

Mike.

by **chryles** » Jun 5th, '07, 17:51

"is it on the top yet?" can work in an ACR because they know it's going to end up there.

Look at their face NOT at your hands and say anything.

I find the best way is to not give them the chance to burn your hands, do it like your straightening the cards and do it straight after their card goes in.

I have just waited before, waited in silence staring at the spec, but this feels rude and can break the rhythm of the trick, although it works.

by **monker59** » Jun 5th, '07, 19:41

Michael Jay wrote:
sauruman wrote:I've been working on my pass for about a week now and ive gotten it down pretty good...

Doesn't anyone aside from myself see an immediate problem here?

To be fair, we don't know how many hours he logged into that trick during that week. During my last summer vacation, I spent about three hours a day (I kid you not) on a three card monte routine for a week. I thought I did pretty well with it at the end of the week and performed it for friends. My friends were stumped and I got about $15 dollars. You've got to measure practice in smaller amounts than just weeks. It needs to be measure in hours.

by **Michael Jay** » Jun 5th, '07, 20:59

"The Hype" in a three card monte is much easier to pick up than a pass. They are two very different moves.

The hype happens when you toss the card down - the bigger action covers for the smaller action. Even if you do a poor hype, you can usually pass it past the spectator.

The pass is a "proving" action (or, by perception, a "non-acion"). They put the card in middle, very fairly, and you do a pass. It takes place on an off beat, when noone is looking at your hands. In the case of the pass, it should appear (in the hindsight of the spectator) that they put the card in the middle and it was immediately on top.

The three card monte is a different animal altogether.

Mike.

by **Michael Kras** » Jun 5th, '07, 21:02

Michael Jay wrote:
Michael Kras wrote:"So your card is not on top or on bottom"

When performing Turnover Pass.

Mr. Kras, this could only serve to draw immediate attention to the deck and your hands. This is precisely what you should be trying to avoid.

I strongly suggest - strongly - that you invest in "The Books of Wonder" (Wonder & Minch).

If you are serious, Mr. Kras (and you are asking us to believe that you are serious), you will read both volumes, take notes and annotate the books themselves.

Ahh. I see what you mean. Good advice!
Take that advice to the bank.

Mike.

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