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You're right! And ironically, Jay Sankey gave me that exact advice!

You've also got to remember that Mr. Lewis is just one opponent. For all I know there could be thousands of people proclaiming this as the best thing for young magicians. It's pretty hard to get upset at someone for having their own opinion and sharing it with you. Especially on a public internet forum.

Yes, but when he is deliberately insulting me, my friends, and the best experience of my life, I take offence and am hurt by it. Some great magicians come to this camp. We had:

Peter Loughran
Dick Joiner
Nathan Kranzo
Lee Asher
Aaron Fisher
Jason Dean
Sean Fields
Joe Givan
Sean Bogunia
Michael Weber
and MAnY more


And you know what? They are all my friends and I really got to know them. And when someone just insults them like that it gets m going. I apologize to MarkLewis for ranting.

Michael Kras

Doesn't matter what critics people have or what they want to say OUTSIDE of this forum. In here we have rules. Or do we? Can we start to say what we want about people and end up with no forum, as people, ( and I include mods as people, well some of them anyway ) will leave in droves. The post by mark should be deleted, if it hasn't already, Mark should be big enough to admit he went too far with his remarks and language and that should be it for now. If he doesn't, he should be treated for the contempt he will then deserve and banned for continual personal comments. These comments cannot be brushed under the table as Mark just being Mark Lewis.

Darrel wrote:Ryan, been there, done that, got the T shirt and almost had a Mod resign. I've more or less ignored the comments made since. I looked at this thread not knowing is what about Mark so I am not trying to bash him for the sake of it. I have made comments which I have needed to delete before, as have other people. Most of us realise that we were wrong and apologised on the forum. Thye better person will admit they are wrong. Anybody that makes comments such as those, that doesn't, should be cosidered small minded and be ignored, just like your grandads farts. They might be offensive, but they don't deserve any respect. I am not saying this about Mark, as I am sure that he will be man enough to give a full apology on the forum.

come on you know there will be no appology and if there is one he will word it in a real sarky way!

and im done with ignoring him, action needs to be taken if he is offending this many people something should be done be done!!!!! cant one of the mods send a pm telling him he MUST tone it down?

Here, here! Amen!

The problem is, Mark can give good advice if he feels like it. That is why he is allowed to stay on the forum. I haven't read any of his posts for a couple of months, so can't comment on what they are like now. The advice did used to be given with personal insults though. Trying to remain diplomatic here, knowing the problems caused by me wanting action taken against him before.

I would suggest you read the rules. Somewhere in there it will tell you who to contact about members who you feel have been abusive on the forum.

Read that, follow the instructions and await the reply. In future, instead of answering any offensive comments, just follow the rules and report as required.

Below is what is in faq's

Whom do I contact about abusive and/or legal matters related to this board?
You should contact the administrator of this board. If you cannot find who that is, you should first contact one of the forum moderators and ask them who you should in turn contact. If still get no response you should contact the owner of the domain (do a whois lookup) or, if this is running on a free service (e.g. yahoo, free.fr, f2s.com, etc.), the management or abuse department of that service. Please note that phpBB Group has absolutely no control and cannot in any way be held liable over how, where or by whom this board is used. It is absolutely pointless contacting phpBB Group in relation to any legal (cease and desist, liable, defamatory comment, etc.) matter not directly related to the phpbb.com website or the discrete software of phpBB itself. If you do email phpBB Group about any third party use of this software then you should expect a terse response or no response at all.

End quote.

Please note, this states that you should contact the administrator or owner to complain. It doesn't seem to say that the mods deal with the complaint themselves, rather they either give the information of who you need to contact, or pass the complaint on themselves.

Interesting!!!!

Michael.

Firstly, Mark didn't post this in our forum—you did. I am therefore giving you your first official warning for posting offensive language.

Secondly, he didn't call you anything specifically—he was generalising. And it seems he was chastising the camp's organiser more.

Thirdly, Mark Lewis is renowned for reducing people to lesser-mortals with his verbal lashes. Although this isn't condoned, and I am in agreement that his use of language in this instance was uncalled for. But there was still no need to repeat it.

So, we've cleared things up, yes?

Mark Lewis 'apparently' called you a 'b&&tard' and implied you are an amateur?

Well—to clear your name, we can assume you have a father. So which other part of it don't you understand?

Mark Lewis is now also under 'quarantine', and his posts will be closely observed here. We don't want another war breaking out here. THe last one almost finished me off.

Thanks for clearing some things up Siege. As already stated, I don't read Marks posts now, so wouldn't know what he has written recently.

Michael, you were definately in the wrong, in this instance, here on Talk Magic.

What Mark, or anybody else, says on another forum, is for you to complain on that forum.

Many people will know I have "questioned" (to put it nicely) Marks constant, at the time, so I am in no way defending him. What he said was inexcusable, but your post should be on the forum this came from, not on here.

With the amount of posts you seem to make, along with all your practise on seemingly every genre of magic, you don't seem to give yourself enough thinking time before some of your posts. Could I suggest you take a bit more time both on your posts and deciding what area of magic you not only want to do, but which suits you best.

im sorry to say that mark did post that reply her on TM. check out the file sharing summer camp thread. and thanks for your PM reply chris

Michael, just brush it off.

What does it matter what someone else thinks about you? Is it going to really affect you what someone says about you on an online forum? Once you switch the computer off, these people no longer exist.

I know there are a couple of people here who don't have a very high opinion of me, but is that going to change who I am or stop me doing what I love? Of course not.

Thanks Ryan, I had only gone by what seige posted.

It seems as if Mark Lewis will be banned from these boards then.

seige wrote

"Mark Lewis is now also under 'quarantine', and his posts will be closely observed here"

I presume this is because of what he has posted in the past.


"Firstly, Mark didn't post this in our forum—you did. I am therefore giving you your first official warning for posting offensive language."

I presume Mark now gets the official warning aswell, as he did post the offensive language on Talk Magic beforehand.
If he is already on a warning, certainly his posts are being quarantined, surely this means that a ban is the only course of action? Am going to await to see if he makes an apology, if not, will suggest that action is taken, as per the forum rules. Lets not get the mods torn apart this time, something I was guil;ty of before.

Just an observation, Darrel; last time I looked, you weren't a Moderator here...yet you seem to be issuing 'Warnings', and discussing banning etc. as if you were.

I'm not sure that the Mods of any well-run forum would take kindly to this kind of vigilante-type posting.

The Mods here do a damn good job, and know what they're doing....you might want to leave things like this to the experts, rather than sticking your nose in, and stirring the pot, as it were?

rob he has not made out he has, he has just said that if mike can get a warning for using that language then he PRESUMED that mark would to.

the parts in quote marks are from seige.

we know that the mods do a great job and were not disputing that, but we have an issue and have taken it to the moderators, if we cant do that then what can we do?

Generally, the sign of members genuinely wanting something resolved with as little fuss as possible, is to deal DIRECTLY with the Mods or Admin via PM, rather than splashing this kinda' stuff around in public.

Yes, you have issues, and you say it's already been taken to the Mods - it's now thier job to resolve it - not yours, mine, or anybody elses.

Usually, Forum members who air such grievances in such a public fashion are generally looking for attention of the worst kind, and don't have the forum's best interest at heart