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I find it Immorally wrong that a human being could do such a thing - It makes you think about the world we live in today, and how it could be affecting our younger generation.

Rehabilitation?

To be able to do something like that to a anyone, regardless of age demonstrates a particular sickness, a very unstable mind. How can rehabilitation possibly change this? Up to a point, petty criminals can be taught that their ways were wrong, but anyone who can carry all this out... it is too late for them.

Once an animal has a taste for killing humans it is hunted and killed, supposedly because it can never go back to being a normal stable animal with respect or life. How are people different?

In this day & age, new identity and relocation, or not, I'd be very suprised if these two sick animals didn't get tracked down fairly quickly.

It looks like the UK penal system has discovered an effective method of keeping prisoners in stasis. Apparently they're still 10-years-old boys with the same thoughts and motivations, and not grown men about to celebrate their 25th birthdays at all.

A truly horrible thing.. but lets not forget as moentioned above, the mother walked away and left her 3 year old outside a shop!!

Reminds me of this Madaleine story.. the parents left their child unattended in the room while they went gallavanting.. hardly responsible.

I do hope the the authorities turn their attention to the parents when this is all resolved.

Tomo wrote:It looks like the UK penal system has discovered an effective method of keeping prisoners in stasis. Apparently they're still 10-years-old boys with the same thoughts and motivations, and not grown men about to celebrate their 25th birthdays at all.

Hah... thanks for the chuckle, that's a good point.

and this country has a habit of dwelling on the past just look at how many times Diana and 9/11 get mentioned in the news and both events were ten and six years ago respectively

Just recently, I think it was the game Manhunt 2 was banned from release because it shows images of James Bulger being led away in a shopping mall by those two twisted f***s..

Why would anyone release images of that scene..??

I say hang em then I feel the same about people who park on double yellow lines.


Many types will say the boys will have to live with what they done and thats a far greater punishment then being in jail. I think not what if they enjoyed it? And lets blame tv! No lets not blame tv or games or what ever. Lets blame the liberials that all tuned in droped out had kids and claimed the dole. Really this country needs breeding liesances introduced. And lets all not jump up and down and talk about Human rights lets face it surley people should be allowed to go around with out fear of being murdred as a right?

I think prisons should be much tougher on people who commit such crimes. Stick them in a small room , bread and water. That would stop repete offending.

I do agree with I.d here something like this shouldnt be used as a selling point. These two shouldnt be allowed in the general population and should be locked up to the end of days. And be given an unmarked grave.

Also I agree with I.D (again) The mother is much to blame here for leaving the poor little chap same as Madines parents (who are in no way milking the situation).

like someone already said a lot of nasty s4!t happens in this world that you never hear about. you only hear it when the press decides it's newsworthy.
my neighbour works at the children's intensive care unit and they get a lot of kids with NAIs (non-accidental injuries) some of whom die as a result. they just don't get in the news because they don't have that 'x' factor.
example. 2 years ago a 1 year old girl was raped to death by her mother's boyfriend in sheffield, (who also tried to cover it up by throwing her down the stairs after), was it in the news? no it wasn't. if the sick f**k had been 10 everyone in the country would have known and there would have been the usual mob outside the courts baying for blood.
i guess what I'm saying is i can't get up in arms about an individual case when i know these things are happening all the time and the only ones we hear about are the ones we are spoon fed by newspaper editors.
also i have to say i agree with mr jay, kill one of my kids and it becomes my mission to kill you (in a very slow and painful way).

I.D wrote:Just recently, I think it was the game Manhunt 2 was banned from release because it shows images of James Bulger being led away in a shopping mall by those two twisted f***s..

Why would anyone release images of that scene..??

That is a vulgarity. Anyone associated with the making/production/release of such a thing should be bull whipped. It is situations such as this that bring me to my ultimate conclusion that the human race is a cancer on the face of this earth.

Misanthropy wrote:and this country has a habit of dwelling on the past just look at how many times Diana and 9/11 get mentioned in the news and both events were ten and six years ago respectively

Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. Diana deserved better - she was a good person in her heart and we have too few of those walking this earth. In death, she still deserves better. Never forget her, but for god's sake, let her rest in peace.

Tomo wrote:It looks like the UK penal system has discovered an effective method of keeping prisoners in stasis. Apparently they're still 10-years-old boys with the same thoughts and motivations, and not grown men about to celebrate their 25th birthdays at all.

That is an interesting observation. Here's another observation: Two ten year olds were able to put a 2 year old in another form of stasis - that is to say, there is one of the three of them who will never pass being 2 years old and never get to celebrate anymore birthdays. Also, there are two people in this world who will have their hearts ripped out at least once a year "celebrating" the birthday of their child who will never have another one.

AndyRegs wrote:Perhaps I'm too much of a damn hippy.

That's perfectly alright. In society, we need those damn hippies as well as those damn blood thirsty, hang 'em high nuts like myself. Somewhere we will find a middle ground, which makes for a healthy society. Both extremes are important and the middle ground is what we strive for.

AndyRegs wrote:Do you not think perhaps if a ten year old commits such a crime, the parents aren't in someway responsible too?

If those two kids got caught shop lifting, I would whole heartedly agree that blame could be placed on the parents and the way in which these kids are being brought up. If those kids would have pushed the two year old down and run away laughing, I'd fully agree that their environment was very much to blame.

But somewhere in a human being is a basic human emotion - that of empathy - which is a moral compass. A line that we know, even at 10 years old, is a point that cannot be crossed. Lacking that empathy makes for sociopathic behavior.

When you look at the depth of this crime, you can no longer attribute human behavior to these kids - they are sub-human...Or, sick animals. You cannot blame society or the parents for this kind of sickness.

AndyRegs wrote:...the whole argument comes down to what you think the criminal justuce system is for; rehabilitation, punishment, retribution...

I believe that the justice system is for all of those things. It is to punish the criminal for his offence. It is retribution for the victims. And it is for rehabilitating those who can be rehabilitated.

However, you cannot rehabilitate someone for something that they never had...You cannot give compassion and empathy to someone who has neither of these things and never had them. You cannot grow up from torture, mutilation and murder.

In a way, it is fortunate that we found out about these two kids before they were adults. By adulthood, they would have become more cunning. They showed us that they were going to be serial murderers - that is what becomes of children who exhibit tendencies to torture small animals, like cats and such. Obviously, though, small animals weren't what floated these kids' boats...They needed more, they needed another human being.

Sick animals. Nothing more. Sub-human.

Mike.

Much of the information in the chain letter is false, according to the following link (my reference for every chain e-mail I get):

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/bulger.asp


Also, I must say I agree with a lot that has been said my Michael Jay and Co. regarding the uselessness of "rehabilitation". This is especially true in the case of sex offenders. As much as I don't want to regress to the middle ages and burning supposed witches at the stake, we should all realize that a pedophile will remain a pedophile...ALWAYS. There is nothing you can do. This is something engraved in their brain and their very being. I personally am "turned on" by women. I like women. A gay man likes men, and a pedophile likes children. That's what turns THEM on. There is nothing anybody can do about that. A gay man cannot be convinced to stop liking men and all of a sudden by attracted to women any more than I can be swayed to enjoy men... and similarly a pedophile cannot be dissuaded from being attracted by children. These sex offenders can only be trained not to ACT upon their sexual urges, to not commit the act, but never to not WANT to commit the act. It would be the equivalent to force YOU to never have sex with women (or men). Personally, if I was in that situation, I'd take death over a life-long torment.

I would like to point out an error ID has made. The game in question is NOT Manhunt 2 - but Law and Order: Double or Nothing. That should defintely be known. However, given the subject matter of the game - I'm inclined to think it was, perhaps, not done as a glamorization. Still, it should have been cleared with the parents beforehand, and the ban has merit.

I should also point out that the mix-up is not entirely ID's fault, as media outlets have blurred the actual truth to make Manhunt 2 guilty by association. This is yet another attempt by media and special interest groups to attack Rockstar Games and it's line of video games. I've found more than 50 news stories like this one:

That this House welcomes the decision by the British Board of Film Classification to ban the game Manhunt 2 from being sold in the UK; further welcomes the decision to withdraw from sale another video game which used footage of the abduction of James Bulger; believes that games depicting extreme, realistic and graphic violence can damage the social development of children and young adults; and further believes video games companies should better recognise their social responsibilities when they design a new game.

Note how "conveniently" the name of the game that actually shows the footage in question is left out. Many other stories do the same thing. Yes- it says ANOTHER VIDEO GAME - but the fact that the title isn't mentioned is misleading.

Sorry to pull off subject - but I felt that needed to be addressed.

EDIT - Upon further reading, the image was used as part of a storyline for an investigation of a kidnapping in the game. It was, apparantly, used without knowledge of the crime (which did not have a lot of press in the States), and was immediately withdrawn with an apology issued when the mother of James Bulger made her complaint. So, as I suspected, this wasn't done with any cruel intent.

Perhaps I'm an idealist, but I work with young people in one of the poorest wards in the UK who have seen and experienced some terrible things. Some turn out to be amazing people, some go off the rials. But when I believe that a young person (even as young as ten) can't change and become a better person, then it will be time to find a new job.

I don't think it was a actual still of James Bulger being abducted and more a image that resembled a likeness to the abduction that his mother took offense to