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No, it was the actual CCTV clip. The game was also out on shelves for more than 5 years before the image was noticed and action was taken.

How come she didn't notice it sooner? and how come the people watching the CCTV footage just watched them abduct someone and do nothing about as well as the people who witnessed them assaulting him while walking 2 1/2 miles to where they killed him?

It didn't look like an abduction. It looked like two boys walking with their little brother. They had no way of knowing that the kid was being abducted. Just because we know know doesn't mean it was obvious then.

[edit] regarding the video that is.

It's not that easy, Misanthropy. They don't have people sitting and watching those monitors 24/7. One guy sits and monitors a couple of dozen camera screens. If the guy/girl at the control would have seen it happening on the spot, then it might have been avoided (at that moment, these two animals would simply have had to put off their need to kill until later - but don't delude yourself, it was going to happen sooner or later).

What those cameras do, more than anything else, is allow investigators to look at the footage and recreate the crime and find suspects. Unfortunate, but that is the reality of it.

And, the folks who turned a blind eye, well, you cannot blame them either. The two animals told these people that James was their little brother...We all know that older brothers do some mean things to their little brothers. What were these people supposed to do? Call the police and report an older brother being mean to his younger brother? What do you think the police would have done/said? Not much - there's not much they could do under the belief of the circumstances.

You can only rarely stop a crime before it happens. Even if you do, you still have little proof of a crime before it is committed. Unfortunately, we don't have crystal balls to see into the future with.

Of course, you can put the blame squarely on the mother, who allowed the situation to crop up to begin with. But, let me ask you this: What punishment can you give this woman that is greater than her living with this fact, each and every day of her life? What could possibly be worse than the realization that you are responsible for the death of your own child? This would eat away at you almost every waking moment of every day for the rest of your life. Thinking about what you exposed your own child to - not just death, but torture, mutilation and ultimately death?

No, there is nothing you can do to this woman that is worse than what she is doing to herself every day and will be doing for the rest of her life.

AndyRegs wrote:But when I believe that a young person (even as young as ten) can't change and become a better person, then it will be time to find a new job.

I'm fully agreed with you Andy. But I am a blood thirsty, hang 'em high kind of guy.

In my book, premeditated murder of horrific proportions (like the case we are discussing), rapists and child molestors are all sick animals. It is our job as society to put sick animals out of their misery.

Like I said, we need your point of view and we need my point of view and we will find reality somewhere in between.

Mike.

How come she didn't notice it sooner?

Seriously...Do you think that this woman buys video games in search of finding footage of her son being abducted? And, if she spends all her time doing that, what about movies that may include such things? Should she be monitoring Hollywood as well as the video game industry?

Come on, man. It's actually surprising that it was ever noticed at all. By anyone.

Mike.

I don't think anybody should be blaiming the mother.

Parents on this forum, can you honestly say you have never turned your back on your child. Just to get a closer look at a pair of trainers in the shop or just nipped over to somebody you haven't seen in a while, for a brief second, just to say hello? Do we actually know that the mother walked away from her child, the boy could have walked away from his mother. I used to do it all the time in ASDA, to go and play with the toys and get some free food from the sample stall.

I agree... I think it was a little irrespinsible.. but.. she obviously lives with her mistake.

By comment was mainly aimed at Madaleines parents, who went out and left their daughter alone intentionally in the hotel room. I am no parent but that seems extremely irresponsible and if Madaleine is returned home safe, social services should step in.

ID - I don't think social services should step in. As you just said, they have to live with their mistake - they certainly won't be doing that again.

I think it sends a spine chilling message to parents who have/will leave their children alone. It's a little like a first time driver crashing his car, a wake up call, meaning they learn from their mistakes - I know I certainly did

And as for the topic - I don't have an opinion on wether the two men should get new identities and be under protection. Surely the people who should judge wether this happens are the people who have known them for a while and see if they have changed. That being said, they did kill a child, and that clearly shows they have the potential to kill again.

It's also been reported that the mother of James Bulger had a prior miscarriage, and as a result was a very doting mother, and always kept him close. She stepped into a store for a few moments, thinking it would only take a moment. A lapse of reason is all it was - and it's not irresponsible.

ID - I see where you're coming from, but this story and the one you brought up are COMPLETELY different. And again - I feel it must be pointed out that the ONLY people to blame are these two animals (to borrow a fitting phrase from Michael).

As has been said before some of the blame will be with the parent cause she will always wish that she took him into the shop with her and kept a tight grip on him but if it hadn't been him it would have likely been someone else.

true - true.

Bottom Line is.. those two twisted animals should be locked up forever... to have it in you to carry out such inhumane acts takes away all human reasoning.. irrespective of age.

Once you have the taste for that kind of thing.. you know what they say.. a leapord never changes its spots.

Our Law & Order system is terrible.

I'm quite vague on this but is it Singapore that has the lowest crime rate in the world? I think it is that country, however I'm not sure. I watched a documentry on it once. If you're caught stealing you have your fingers chopped off. if you kill somebody and are found guilty you are put to death.

They're crime rate (in general) is rock bottom.

While we're stuck in the UK trying to rehabilitate people. I think getting your fingers chopped off is plenty of rehabilitation

Mikey.666 wrote:Our Law & Order system is terrible.

I'm quite vague on this but is it Singapore that has the lowest crime rate in the world? I think it is that country, however I'm not sure. I watched a documentry on it once. If you're caught stealing you have your fingers chopped off. if you kill somebody and are found guilty you are put to death.

They're crime rate (in general) is rock bottom.

While we're stuck in the UK trying to rehabilitate people. I think getting your fingers chopped off is plenty of rehabilitation

Maybe there's simply a higher level of contentment in Singapore.

I think getting your fingers chopped off is plenty of rehabilitation

If we had this, I'd hazard to guess that at least 95% of members here would have no fingers (and so would make TM pointless as we couldnt type).

Never copied a friends CD? Watched a pirate film? Lets not get too self righteous.

AndyRegs wrote:Never copied a friends CD? Watched a pirate film? Lets not get too self righteous.

Valid point. However, I think it's strange. Way back when i first discovered the woners of P2Ps and torrents etc. I was a bu**er for it. But now I hardly use it. I also remember the big "scare" saying that the police and goverment where cracking down on it all That was five years ago.