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Making Progress

Postby MagicalJim » Jun 26th, '07, 13:03



Bought RRTCM and Modern Coin Magic (not the new version though) a couple a weeks back, and just thought I'd give a progress report.
First of all I'd like to thank everyone who recommend books to me, these two are killer.

Now on to the progress, I've been working through RRTCM more than Modern Coin Magic, as a) it came a week sooner, and b) I'm finding Modern Coin Magic extremely difficult, I did have a look at the threads on here about it though which helped.

So far I've been working on the sleights more than the tricks in RRTCM, having some difficulty with palming, but I'm practicing, I'm enjoying the Glide and Backslip, I find them fun to use. Just about to start reading the Overhand Shuffle 2 Section, but I'm trying to work on an Aces Production routine (not sure if there is one in there, haven't looked) as I'd like to upload a vid, and currently a can only film whilst standing up. I've got a Mac computer with a built in webcam, which can't be angled well enough to do any table tricks, and my recently bought webcam doesn't seem to want to work with the Mac.

With Modern Coin Magic, I'm still working on the classic plam, and I'm having great difficulty with the Edge Palm, looking forward to working through this though, as it seems quite difficult which will give me a more rewarding feeling when I start to accomplish the sleights.

Any ideas on the Aces Production would be nice. I've decided to start with the Aces out of the deck and shuffle them in one at a time, and on the finisher, cut the pack in two and use the one handed top card reveal flourish, the one where you clip the card between the fingers, to reveal the last two Aces. It's just trying to vary the way they're revealed and placed in the deck.

(Sorry if this should have been placed in the Support and Tips section but I thought as it's a progress report I'd place it here)

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Postby Lady of Mystery » Jun 26th, '07, 13:11

There are a few ace productions in Royal Road and plenty of tricks that could be adapted into an ace production.

I personally use a cut to the aces trick using a short card, have a look in Mark Wilson's book for this one. It's nice, quick and clean. A good opener.

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Postby MagicalJim » Jun 26th, '07, 13:14

Thanks for that Lady of Mystery, I haven't used a short card in a while, and that could let me do some fancy cutting too :D

EDIT: Hey cool that L O M thing works :D

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Postby Johnny Wizz » Jun 26th, '07, 16:10

There is an aces production trick in the overhand shuffle section of RRTCM which I use.

There is also a good one on Simon Lovells Million Dollar Card Magic

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Postby Michael Jay » Jun 26th, '07, 20:13

With Modern Coin Magic, I'm still working on the classic plam, and I'm having great difficulty with the Edge Palm, looking forward to working through this though, as it seems quite difficult which will give me a more rewarding feeling when I start to accomplish the sleights.


Jim, I know you said that you've looked over all the Bobo threads, but have you checked out the "sticky" in Support & Tips? You might find that to be useful to you.

Regarding the edge palm, I've found it to be one of the most useless of sleights from a worker's point of view. I'm not saying that there aren't reasons to know it, but unless you actually have a need of use, then what possibly could the point be behind learning it?

Now, I realize that knowledge for the sake of knowledge can be a good thing and is fully an acceptable reason to know and understand the sleight, but if you're never going to use it in your coin magic, do you think that maybe your time would be better spent working on sleights that you can use?

Presently we are on step 4 of the Bobo study guide. You might just wish to give that thread a look - I think that it can help you out a bit. Remember that Bobo is an encyclopedia. It has everything that you need, but a great deal of stuff that you don't (and never will) need.

Then again, as I've stated on that thread, my point of view is nothing more than an opinion. I could be full of it (and quite possibly am).

Mike.

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Postby MagicalJim » Jun 27th, '07, 09:19

Cheers Mike, I did have a look at the stickied thread, but I haven't looked at the other thread. Also as I am completely new to coin magic I have no idea what I will need to use and what I won't, maybe I should read through some of the routines first to get a better idea of what would be going on.

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Postby Michael Jay » Jun 27th, '07, 11:54

Bobo suggests that you learn classic, finger and thumb palm, which are considered by many to be the three most important palms for coins. However, I don't see it as that "black and white," even though I do agree with the statement.

What you need to do is look over the tricks that can be done with coins and select a few that you really like. Write these down in your notebook (you do have a notebook for this purpose, right?) along with the necessary sleights that you'll need to make them work. Those will be the sleights that you learn, initially.

I would further suggest that you learn at least two methods of a false transfer, whether fake takes or fake puts. I believe that it is Ammar who stated that a fake take is more convincing than a fake put. While I would personally disagree with that sentiment, it is hard to derogate such insight to a new coin worker, so would suggest that you consider the idea when choosing false transfers.

Lady of Mystery suggests the French drop as being an important false transfer, which is a fake take. To my way of thinking, the French drop is a right of passage for young magicians - it is something that everyone should know. With coins, you have to change the format of the French drop, because if you do it exactly the way that you would with a ball, it simply looks wrong. A well executed French drop is extremely deceptive.

Further, just like card magic, you don't need massively hard sleights to perform adroit magic. It all depends on how you make use of what you know as to whether or not you can perform visual, deceptive magic.

By way of example, I sat and watched John Carney show a very magical coin routine to a room full of magicians. He blew us all away - it was an excellent routine and not a single magician in there knew how he did it. We were all expecting that Mr. Carney was going to teach us something that was so far out of reach that it would take months of work just to get the basics down...

The reaction of the crowd was comical when John showed us that it was nothing more than a finger palm in conjunction with a Ramsay subtlety. That's it - basic coin magic 101 blowing away a room full of magicians.

My point here is that, to my way of thinking, the two most important things in coin magic are the finger palm and the Ramsay subtlety.

Hopefully that helps you out some...

Mike.

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Postby MagicalJim » Jun 27th, '07, 12:21

I vaguely remember you stating that somewhere else, see I did read the other threads :D
Cheers again though Mike.

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Postby Michael Jay » Jun 27th, '07, 12:47

I hate getting caught out on a cut and paste job... :oops:

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Postby Schwen » Jun 27th, '07, 12:51

thre I was thinking I was going mad again :lol:

good advice though, worth cutting and pasting to my mind

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