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I finally gave in and bought one, but I have no idea what quality to expect. I am really liking the idea of the Russian Roulette (cups + 1 spike) and figured the ring could be used for this. My question is though, how strong is the force? Will I have to get special spikes then, or could just a steel nail do the trick?

We'll have to be careful here as this could lead to unintentional exposure of the commercially available items. Although an ordinary spike could be used, it's probably far safer and more certain to have one which 'matches' the ring.

Ohh ok I apologize. I didn't know that was marketed. If it's safe to ask, then do I require a spike that has the same properties as the ring? (m*******)

KingJeux. wrote:(m*******)

Yup! Have a look at PK Wizard's Spike - one UK source is http://www.worldmagicshop.co.uk/spike-p-3670.html - for an idea of what's involved.

Wow that is pricey considering what is involved. That's almost rediculous. I guess if it fails it makes a nice looking piercing tho!

It certainly has a serious price tag but the materials involved, and the work in producing them, have a high cost as well. You might find second hand ones available from time to time with a bit of Googling.

I'm not a great lover of Russian Roulette style effects myself, but if you really must, you could always try Scorpion.

Cheers,

Pete

Yeah that looks decent too. They advertise the site http://www.supermagnetman.com which sells pk rings for $7.00!!! That is incredible as they are usually $35+ I wish I had seen that prior to purchasing the one I did.

KingJeaux, I don't think the PK ring would be strong enough for the effect you're thinking of. The Bat or Bertha may be suitable but you don't want to end up hurting yourself.
This effect is expensive, but you get the proper handling and instructions with ti.

KingJeux. wrote:Yeah that looks decent too. They advertise the site http://www.supermagnetman.com which sells pk rings for $7.00!!! That is incredible as they are usually $35+ I wish I had seen that prior to purchasing the one I did.

Yeah I found a place to get a PK Ring... Finally! and cheap!

pcwells wrote:I'm not a great lover of Russian Roulette style effects myself, but if you really must, you could always try Scorpion.

Cheers,

Pete

Thank you for the plug. At $65.00 Scorpion is a great "danger" effect with a great "reason" for presenting it.
(and affordable!)

To be honest, if I'm risking my hand I'd need to be very certain of my 'choice' of cup and I'd want the strongest 'force' available to make darned sure !

There was a show on UK TV a while back showing tricks going wrong. Among them were some involving the traditional vertical knife and cups but the worst was where the performer used the spec's hand to crush the cup and got it wrong. Even though the spec's hand had been painfully stabbed, the performer just carried on and tried to talk his way out of it!

Scorpion is a great "danger" effect

There is so much more you can do with Scorpion not just the effect but with the presentation, I recently did it at a friends house and his wife had to sit down and get her breath. The Spike is expensive but a made really well however it's in my mind a bit short on presentation. A good story will always make a better trick or is it a trick let the reader decide...

Take care all

The Scorpion looks like a stunning piece of kit to have in your arsenal.

Roth, why are you tempting us with all these things? We'll all be broke!!!

Mandrake wrote:To be honest, if I'm risking my hand I'd need to be very certain of my 'choice' of cup and I'd want the strongest 'force' available to make darned sure !

There was a show on UK TV a while back showing tricks going wrong. Among them were some involving the traditional vertical knife and cups but the worst was where the performer used the spec's hand to crush the cup and got it wrong. Even though the spec's hand had been painfully stabbed, the performer just carried on and tried to talk his way out of it!

I saw that as well, and it really put me off of such effects. I think it is pretty stupid to put others at risk however slight, I am sure the performer in question felt confident that he could not get it wrong but it still happened.