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Postby Lord Freddie » Sep 5th, '07, 12:20



George Foreman couldn't strum as fast as Formby.

There's a statue of George on the Isle of Man dressed in his TT race outfit.
See, something new learnt everyday and insular Americans have learnt the name of a British icon.

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Postby Part-Timer » Sep 5th, '07, 12:53

Purely in the interests of being a pedant, I feel obliged to point out that George Formby is usually associated with a banjulele (as its name suggests, a hybrid of the banjo and ukulele).

What worries me is why I have chosen to retain this fact.

Now, Mr M is a magic man in an internet forum.
He'll moderate in a way that's great, while seated on his...chair.
Mandrake's always here, does he have a wife, where does he get the time?
He checks the posts, yet never boasts, we all think he is sublime.
Oh Mr M, you are a gem, I'm reading through the Magic and Religion thread.

Tempers are rising, it's not surprising,
This touchy subject needs a steady hand.
Mandrake is not going to be the new Messiah,
Call him Isaiah, 'cos he's got one eye that sits a little higher.
Oh Mr M, you are a gem, I'm reading through the Magic and Religion thread.

Now Mr M has got a little bit of history,
You ought to see him chatting u...away with Lady of Mystery.
Now Mr M, I trust you'll see the funny side of this,
But sorry if you do not, I didn't mean to take the...mick.
Oh Mr M, you are a gem, I'm reading through the Magic and Religion thread.

*Banjulele solo*

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Postby Lord Freddie » Sep 5th, '07, 13:15

Maybe George Formby is god?
He is to uke and banjolele players....

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Postby Mandrake » Sep 5th, '07, 13:42

Excellent stuff P-T, I'll be singing that until next February when it'll change to 'With my Little Stick of Blackpool rock'!! :D !

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Postby Al Doty » Sep 6th, '07, 09:42

Well now, with all these instruments, PT writing the diddys and Mandrake singing, will we be starting a magic gospel band? :twisted:

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Postby Lady of Mystery » Sep 6th, '07, 09:52

Part-Timer, you've got way too much time on your hands :wink:

Very good though :D

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Postby Lord Freddie » Sep 6th, '07, 18:55

Part-timer is the new Hal David.

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Postby Part-Timer » Sep 6th, '07, 19:40

Lady of Mystery wrote:Part-Timer, you've got way too much time on your hands :wink:

Very good though :D


Thank you (and you Mandrake).

I was actually supposed to be heading to the bank that lunchtime, but didn't make it, because I decided to rewrite a George Formby song. Yes, that makes perfect sense...


Lord Freddie wrote:Part-timer is the new Hal David.


Even in jest, that's quite a compliment!

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Postby Lord Freddie » Sep 6th, '07, 19:47

A thread debating religon has ended up with George Formby.
There's a deep meaning in there somewhere but I'm bug***ed if I know what it is!

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Postby Part-Timer » Sep 6th, '07, 19:58

Lord Freddie wrote:A thread debating religon has ended up with George Formby.
There's a deep meaning in there somewhere but I'm bug***ed if I know what it is!


No matter how dark it looks, no matter how deep the pain, it'll always turn out nice again.

Life is like a stick of rock. No matter how you slice it, it says the same thing for everyone.

If you keep climbing every blinkin' ladder fate puts in your path, you will get to the top.

Coming soon to the self-help section of your local bookshop.

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Postby Lord Freddie » Sep 6th, '07, 20:07

You're a poet and you didn't know it!

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Postby I.D » Sep 13th, '07, 12:46

I was brought up as a Jehobah's Witness. Even though I dont practice it anymore, I belive in it 99.5%.. nothing to do with the belief system as I think it is the most logical belief system out there. I just dont think anything derserves 100% credit.

I dont agree with 99% of religions. They all take the bible out of context to suit their way of living. JW's are the only ones that seem to have it right in that everything is direct from the bible.

Saying that, I know plenty of JW's who dont live to bible standard and I know plenty more that are hypocrytical about it. Those people I cant stand. The older generation had it right. If your going to abide by a way of life, do it 100%.

In repsonse to the original post, you cant mix magic and religion as Magic and practicers of magic are destable to God.. it says so in the bible, but I think thats referring to 'real magic' like voodoo and black magic.

but at the end of the day. who knows? I guess as long as you believe in something, that makes you content and if your not you keep searching till you find what your looking for.

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Postby Craig Browning » Sep 13th, '07, 13:12

I.D. that post was so contradictory and "blind" to coin a phrase.

For someone raised JW I'm actually surprised at your position in that the majority of children will rebel towards the environment they were raised in... I know kids raised Satanist that are now hard line Christians; Pagans that are now ardent cynics and Buddhists who've not only become Catholics but are part of special forces... BUT, what you convey is proof that your parents and the group you were raised around, got the formula right.

If you study how cult groups operate and how they deliberately program (brain wash) children, they you can see logically, why you have held to your perceptions as you have. But then I would bet that you haven't invested a great deal of time actually learning the history not only of your group, but the bible itself and where it really came from. Too, I doubt that you've worked out the math when it comes to the number of JWs on the planet and the fact that only 144,000 souls can fit into heaven... (rim shot, please)

I do not say this to create an argument but rather, to encourage you to actually study the world's religions and philosophies in that I fear that you have a very limited and biased point of view that hosts little foundation.

As someone that has invested a considerable amount of time actually studying the world's great religions I will point out that they are all far more alike than not; it is man's own delusions and arrogance more than anything else, that encourages the idea that differences exist... especially once you weed through all the commentary and get to the core of the religion or philosophy in question. But then, the teachings of Jesus greatly mirror those of Lord Buddha before him and if it weren't for the meddling of men around what he shared, I'd bet our world would be filled with far more pragmatic Buddhist than the angry and bitter folk that use the bible as an excuse to hate any and all that don't agree with them... or the koran... etc.

Again, this is not for argument or debate, just words of encouragement for you to actually find what it is you need; your statement suggests you're wrestling with this issue but anchor yourself to what's familiar out of fear of being wrong vs. learning more of what is right. :wink:

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Postby I.D » Sep 13th, '07, 13:41

My post may have come across wrong.. I didnt mean it that people choose to rebel.. I was just saying that I know plenty of people that dont live by their proposed beliefs.

The people I was referring to are people that profess to live a certain way and actually live another life completely. Living 2 lives.. the one they want to lead and the one they want to be seen to be leading. Living in such a way is contradictory and I suppose it happens in all religions and faiths.

I believe that people may change their belief systems and convert to other religions and faiths and that is fine.. but I personally dont agree with people who want to be seen to be leading a certain life and not actually living that life.. wanting to have 'the best of both worlds'. I think to choose to believe the things you can live by and then rejecting what you find it hard to abide by, in some instances, is a cop out. Its allowing yourself to 'do wrong' without feeling that you are. If that makes sense. That may still yet come across in a way other to what Im trying to say. Sometimes its hard to convey meaning :wink:

forget I said anything.. its been years since I had the religious debate.. I have forgot how to state my case convincingly :oops: :wink:

Oh and Im not saying that JW's have it right.. Im just saying that for me personally, if I were to follow a religion and be part of it, havig studied other religions, the ones that I could comfortably study without feeling akward.. I couldnt see myself as anything else.. just a personal thing.

I have studies catholism, mormanism, read up on and conversed with buddhist, muslims and sikhs and born again chrsitians and pentacostals.. and there are things about each which turn me away. then again, there were things about my own beliefs which i at times raised an eyebrow at, but they were things that didnt make me feel uncomfortable.. just wanted to question more.

My opinions above were just a personal feeling, and my parents didnt get it right.. not by a long shot.. I made my beliefs my own.. but again, that was a long time ago.. I dont think about it too much these days

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Postby greedoniz » Sep 13th, '07, 13:57

I'm yet to meet someone religious who could argue on a rational level when it comes to the validity of their religion and the existence of a deity.
For people who 'believe' tend to argue the subject emotively ' I feel that...' and the problem with most argument of this ilk is that ground rules for what constitutes evidence are not set down before hand. Hence them generally degrading into very heated discussions. A rationalist wants evidence that is hard or impossible to dispute and the person of faith uses their experience or experiences as their evidence which is not evidence within this sort of context.
I suppose the best way of putting it is that a hypochondriac knows he/she is ill because they feel it deep inside that something is up whereas a medical doctor would look for symptoms and signs of illness and if the two were to have a conversation it would be a similar one in regards to the two differing styles of argument.

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