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Well,
I will like to take the oportunity here by (sory about spelling) to thanks
all this nice poeple that has bein so kind to me here in talkmagic, and
that has all the time try to help me to survive in this jungle.

But there are a couple of them, a certain LORD frediee (or freeky?) (WONDER WITCH ROYAL HOUSE ?) He is doing his best for me to go,

WITH HIS CONSTANT INSULTS, his STUPID SENSE OF HUMOUR?, and SUBTILE AGRESSIONS (i guess he is the only one having fun with his own jokes),
and TODAY also insulting directly AND publicly
,http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic21155.php

saying that i am a bad professional because I dont happen to have my own web site etc...
(witch we do, but we are now re-changing the loock) (spelling ?)

I dont mind to be insulted, but only privatly with PM, but never publicly.
I have allready complain a couple of times this morning to Mandrake, but I guess he hav'nt read it yet.

Just curious to know;
How long have all of you support around here this type of strange personage?
I have to say, that you really got iron nerves.
Probably i had to ignored, BUT I CAN TOLERATE TO BE PUBLICLY INSULT BY A MENTALLY RETARDED AND TOTALLY COMPLEXED PERSONE LIKE THIS
POINT; to be mentaly retarded and complexed das'nt has to be interpreted as an insult. its just a fact , legally recognize by the law.
and can be threated by specialist. (very good ones in england).

So my new friends, good by, and sory to have disturb you all with this NON MAGICAL SUBJECT
hopping that this will help to other new comers (? spelling )
I was just trying those past days, to apport something to our community,
help the beginers , and also to LEARN FROM YOU
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SEE BELLOW A COUPLE OF MY LAST MESSAGES TO ONE FELLOW MAGICIEN AND TO MR MANDRAKE
very friendly to all of you
karl Bravosky
PS: If someone feel to keep in tuch:
cpblune@yahoo.fr
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From: karl
To: pcwells
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:16 pm
Subject: THANK YOU
Hi how are you?
hope you doing well.
Sory I disturb you with this, but I prefer to do ist here then publicly.
Why??, simple, I am been totally harras by the guy call LORD freekie every time that I write something around.

I my new topic, I just want to hear poeple about this new idea, and I very clear say at the begining of my note, that I dont what this to look as an advertise
http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic21155.php

CONCERNING THIS FELLOW, I have allready send a couple of messages to mandrake, (see text bellow)
but he still on and on....
Dont know what to do any more
You see, I dont mind he do it in private with PM, but this b*****, keep
doing it, using the public topic reply.
I AM SO ANGRY AND UPSET
sory to disturb you with this.
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TO MANDRAKE TODAY
HI SIR
I am getting very angry.
WILL YOU ASK THIS FELLOW TO STOP ANSWERING and INSULTING ME DIRECTLY EVERYTHING I WRITE something AROUND ??

http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic21155.php

I promesse you that if he still going on calling me Bean.... and other names
or trying to discreditate me with his stupid comments, I will take the first plane to england just to punch his nose (?)
NOT A JOKE

On more again, and I will put all this in a new topic
and then will go somewhere else to talk about magic .

Yours and very friendly and with all my respect,
karl bravosky

No one called you Bean and no one, including myself, has been as insulting as you have. You come here with meaningless messages and wonder why people ask you what they mean.

Maybe the valid points regarding you free advertising and lack of a proper website have upset you as your posts are tantamount to cold calling.

Referring to someone as mentally retarded shows what a nasty person you are. If you knew someone who suffered from a mental illness you would not make such comments. I think this post has shown your true colours and how arrogant and agressive you are. (Something I have never been to you)

I for one, will not be buying your products, as I doubt I could understand the instructions and you are hardly a good advert for yourself.

I find it hard to believe that someone who claims to work with people on a regular basis can turn so nasty and agressive over nothing.

You obviously have your own issues to deal with and next time I'm performing for as you put it, "retarded" children, I will send them your love.

Public threats of violence such as this can be taken very seriously. You even answer your own posts as 'Super mario' after someone mentioned you look like him.

If anyone has any kind of mental health issues, it's yourself. Sorry if by mentioning your tireless and desperate championing of your own products that I have hit the nail on the head, but I pride myself in being an honest person.

Come and punch me on the nose all you like. I do Kung Fu.

HiiyyAAAA!

Alas, will this mean that I will no longer encounter numerous new threads with two-line capitalised titles, which are either directed at individual other more established members of this community or contain yet more self-praise, every time I visit this forum?
I can't say I've read any of them because I found these posts in general very confusing with all this capitalised stuff and lines and what not, and much of it seems very personal indeed. Well, it is not my task to judge and I mustn't dwell on it, but I just couldn't resist saying at least something.

Karl, I am really sorry this has happened. I have PM'd my complaint to the mods as I hope others do.

I am afraid that I have to take sides with Lord Freddie here

Yes Karl may be a good magician, yes he may not speak english as his 1st language, but he has started no less than 7 threads I believe, in this one forum, in the last few days - most of which (though, albeit, not all) pointed about a specific person, with no real point - including this one.

This remind me of one Michael Kras...the only difference being Kras was, by and all, english, and an unknown youngster. Karl comes in, and because he doesn't speak English as a 1st language, is forgiven for all the random nonsense threads he has posted. Yes one or two may have a point - I am not bashing the language difficulties - I am bashing the fact that some of the threads, including this one, have been pointed at a specific member - Lord Freddie (not Freeky). And rather than posting in the same thread, he feels inclined to start a new one, in block capitals - and, if my memory serves me correctly, there was a rule against member bashing and shouting amonst the forums.

An example would be here

http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic21106.php

and here

http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic21107.php

What in the heck is that about? Not only does he post the same thread twice, with different titles but the same words, he also...surprise surprise...bashes Mr Freddy again!

Furthermore, he is advertising products, without paying...once again, something that some people especially would not like, considering the fact that they do pay to advertise on these forums.

Just because this man is a well-respected magician, and he doesn't speak english as a first language, doesn't give him an excuse to bash Mr Freddie, start nonsense threads about Mr Freddie, and have them all in Block Capitals - which is frowned upon anyway. I accepted him in his first thread...as you will be able to see...but, in my humble opinion, he has turned slightly arrogant.

Especially when he started calling Lord Freddie retarded.

English ain't you first language eh? Well look up a translator...oh wait...you obviously did if you managed to find the word "retarded"...and obviously looked for an insulting word rather than "mentally disabled"...which, it is apparent, Lord Freddie is not anyways.

Just my £7.16

A couple of points that need clarifying. First young Michael Kras (where has he disappeared to?) is not English. Alas he is Canadian and for that he has my deepest sympathy. Interestingly enough I met rather a lot of Canadians today. There seems to be more than average in the location I reside in.

The second thing is that Lord Freddie did not refer to Karl as a "bean" He did say, "old bean" and I can assure Karl that is an expression used in Britain normally in a friendly way. It is rather an upper class expression frequently used by lords so that no doubt explains why Lord Freddie used it.

However I must say that poor old Karl has indeed been provoked. However all hope is not lost. If he goes back over old posts he will see that the rather awful Lord Freddie has been quite horrid to me in the past too. He has even called me a child molester which is far worse than he has called Karl. However he has now mellowed towards me and if Karl sticks it out for a little longer he will no doubt find that Lord Freddie will mellow towards him too. A little patience is what is needed.

I think it would be a shame if Karl was driven off this site with a bad impression of us all.

Freddy what are you trying to proof? I mean you've bugged him since his first post and now you 2 have judged him and you claim what is right and what is not right for this forum?

Seriously, why someone does insult someone else at first approach? I just dont get it, you could have helped him from start and leaded him in the right way but instead you laughed and you waited till you could laugh more.

Now who looks bad you think?

Funny isnt it.. how a "professionl" can get away with so much. I guess it is who you know.
Karl isnt this perfect little angel you all make him out to be. RE-read some of his posts, and you will see. He has been belittling, rude, condescending, judgmental. And not just of specific people, but a majority of the forum.

I guess its alright for a pro to come on here and boasts and advertises, degrades people and makes many posts/topics.
Yet when a kid, a CHILD, comes on and does the same thing he is eaten alive.

Karl took what was ment as no harm and turned it, get that he "turned it", into some form of an "insult." Rather than asking for clairty himself, he goes on a slight "rampage." Doing exactly what he accused this forum of doing. Not one person, but accused the forum of doing.

There are things in this world- common sense, and common curtisy... none of which either have shown.

Even I was given a rather rude PM, for stating MY OPINION on a simple matter. I am the bigger man and have not/ will not reply.

Pro or not he has lost all respect from me.
He has a god complex far beyond our grasp from what I have read.

Like him or not.....didn't he leave the forum? That would mean you are all posting to argue with a ghost.....LOL!

Usually when people post they are leaving a forum it's some 15 year old kid looking for sympathy.
I stick by my guns in the fact that I have not been insulting in any way to Karl and my initial posts were meant to be light-hearted as he posted something regarding Mikey.666 and some intelligible stuff about psychology.
If I posted something like this I would expect flak and would be pleased if all I received were light-hearted comments.

Karl is only on here to boast, belittle and promote his products.

An example of which is the thread where members discussed a watch of his and were querying whether it was waterproof. His reponse, as the creator, was to try and promote his new watch, rather than offer asisstance.

I feel that if he stayed, this forum would become a badly spelt advertisment for Karl and his products. He was even trying to post videos on here.
If he was as professional as he claimed to be then he would have his own website with them on, something I pointed out which he threw his toys out of his pram over, and at the very least he could put some videos on youtube and post a link under file sharing like normal people do.

He has sent scary and bizarre PM's to members including myself, posted what are meant to be 'Personal' messages in his posts (which defeats the object of them being personal messages), assumed that people on here are amateurs and should bow down to him and has broken the rules regarding advertising.

He doesn't understand English very well (which could lead to confusion, see the old bean comment that Mark referred to) and gets upset very easily which would result in him falling out with everyone eventually.

If you read the threads you will see I offered an olive branch and told him that I wasn't meaning to be offensive to him and apologised. He just retalited with the most insanse, aggresive, threatening and offensive posts yet, with no justification.

Karl doesn't know the people on this forum and how much they earn from magic to assume people are amateurs is an arrogant thing to say.
There are many professionals on here.

What shocks me is that everyone lays into a self-promoting egotist like Michael Kras, but if someone is a self-promoting egotist who has a few things on the market a few noses become incredibly brown.

My inclination would have been nice to young Michael too despite the fact that he is Canadian and a child magician. I have always disapproved of child magicians even though I have been led to believe that I was one myself once. It was so long ago that I cannot remember anything about it.

Part of the problem is a cultural one. Regrettably the British are nothing like their public image of being polite, reserved and upper class. As for the stiff upper lip that is also a myth. These people do exist but are terribly few and far between. By and large the British are a very rude and horrible people with a wicked sense of humour. This can be very offputting to foreigners who were expecting something else from us.

I do think it would be nice for Lord Freddie to go the extra mile and offer poor old Karl a bigger olive branch. Mind you the way things are going so far an olive branch may not be enough. I would suggest a rather large tree instead.

Courtesy and politeness are very important in life. I would be happy to act as a role model for Lord Freddie in this regard.

Mark, you are a role model to us all, dear chap.

I offered an olive branch and I don't think I was particularly rude or impolite and the bloke just comes out with a barrage of abuse and unpaid advertising. And threats of violence.
From anyone else I would take it as tongue in cheek, but I think that Karl, by way of his calling people retarded and playground insults posts, is a thoroughly nasty piece of work.

None of it is said with any kind of irony and wit (as yours are Mark) and you are right, some of us Brits are not the bowler-hatted gents that those overseas think we are. Speaking for myself and many others, people like Victor Meldrew, Basil Fawlty and Alf Garnett are nearer the mark.

I'm a hybrid of the three. With better dress sense, obviously.

My twopence worth (not that it's worth anything, but anyhoo)...
Reading between the lines, Karl (never heard of him personally) came on here to promote himself and his products. It didn't quite work out how he'd imagined it would, so he got a strop on and has left in a huff. End of. Oh well. No loss.

mark lewis wrote:First young Michael Kras (where has he disappeared to?)

Morocco, by the looks of it.

nameless wrote:

mark lewis wrote:First young Michael Kras (where has he disappeared to?)

Morocco, by the looks of it.