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That's just not easy! I can't help but create a beat/count. More practice required. I'm also working on a "talking, gesturing and swapping the deck between hands" element to cover this.

Not being the world's most experienced bottom palmer ... what are other people using?

Mostly a top palm. Sorry.

when i get more time, i'll dig out my two marlo dvds - see if the move is on either of those..maybe the visual element might help? taught by marlo too by the way...

unless there's a listing somewhere on line? Think they're called The Legend and The Cardician..but could be wrong...

Abraxus is correct: The Legend and The Cardician the two 'mainstream' Marlo DVDs, but having just peeled them out of my bookcase and read the contents, there's nowt about bottom palming, and unfortunately it doesn't spring to mind either.

You *must* bear in mind that much of Marlo's move mastery comes from practically living his daily life with a deck of cards in his hands. Something of a card geek, Marlo can tease us with seemingly simple sleights with poetic ease. A bottom palm for Marlo would involve practically zero effort... with hands like his, you could bottom palm the entire deck un-noticed.

Nextly, and foremustly secondish:

I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hofzinser bottom palm, whihc doesn't involve the deck being inverted. This is covered in Hofzinser's own work, and Vernon's 'Revelations' DVD (specifically Volume 7). Vernon's revelations DVDs/videos are well worth their weight in plastic, if not gold.

There's even MORE work on bottom palms on Revelations 8.

I cannot stress how overlooked the bottom palm is. It's as natural—if handled right—as a top palm. But in tabled work, it's a lot more practical than a top palm, in my own opinion.

EDIT: because I read other your post wrong

Interesting. The Marlo requires no deck inversion, just pass it between the hands. Are you refereing to some "one true bottom palm". Is there an established method, like there is for the top, or are there many?

Indeed... I was offering you a SIMILAR or ALTERNATIVE which best matched your first choice. Which the Hofzinser does perfectly.

Fantastic. Is number seven in that series the only known reference to it?

EDIT: It would appear not. It's all over the place.

PS I've just discovered how awkward left hand top palming feels

if you're sitting, try a deeper bottom cop as you straighten up the deck..

Bottom palming? All sounds very painful to me

Seriously though never really thought about bottom palming until reading this post so just got a deck out and played with a few ideas. One way I've just found which works quite well is to hold a deck in the left hand, take the deck with the right hand, at the same time turn the left hand plam down and steal the bottom card.

The two step bottom palm can be found in the 'Action Palms' section of Revolutionary Card Technique.

Micheal Close also teaches it his first palming pdf.

In terms of pure technique I would say this is easier than the Hofsinzer. However it might not fit all effects as it requires some choreography that needs to be justified.

Have fun learning and practicing

All the best,
John.

Which grip were you using to hold the cards in the left hand? I can't really see how you don't get a flash unless it's held at the palm angle.

I was using the mechanics grip. Turn your left side sligthly towards the spec and take the deck from above with the right hand. Have a play with positions of the hands but the right hand should be able to cover any flash.

deeper bottom cop

I have no idea what that is

john1960uk wrote:In terms of pure technique I would say this is easier than the Hofsinzer. However it might not fit all effects as it requires some choreography that needs to be justified.

My thoughts exactly, hence all the gesturing.

I have found a terribly hard to understand explanation of the Hof in Expert Card Technique.

Not quite clear about where your flash ocurrs (inuendo thread ).

Lets try though; left hand- very loose mechanics grip with the top right corner cradled between the first and second fingers. Also the pack is not parallel to the floor but tipped forward slightly.

Right hand takes in a side on biddle grip with plenty of cover to the right and the first and second fingers giving cover to the front.

Hope this helps,
All the best,
John.