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now i know this is a simple trick but i need a few tips on how to make it better, in performance i have used the other spread and of course use misdirection to end the trick clean, which i obv. cant do in this video anyway all criticism welcome, try and make it constructive.... thanks joecarr14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghPsRoMjafs

btw i used quite a few effects! thought id make it interesting... xD

ps. i cant use the end move that i would in performance as it would reveal the trick as you would be able to see it easily, unlike a real life situation

ps. bear in mind i learnt this yesterday...

from a spectators ponit of view i can't see anything wrong with it at all, espesialy given the criteria for watching it.

It was nicely done, but you have to be careful with your angles. From this perspective, it's somewhat obvious at a few points, what is going on. This is ALL angle though, and not a commentary on technique.

There's something about this effect that annoys me. I don't mean to single you out, Joe - but since you posted, I have to know. I don't own this effect, but it's VERY VERY old. I'm just wondering if David Kong even mentions that this effect is, move for move, an Ascanio effect that is well over 50 years old. Everytime I see this effect on a video, David Kong is named as the creator - which he clearly is not. Does he give proper credit on his dvd?

Other than that - the effect was nicely done. Great job!

very nice trick. a little more handling.

joecarr14 wrote:ps. bear in mind I learnt this yesterday...

Good start, you need to practice more, you need to be smoother with hands and don't look like you holding the cards in some sort of death grip.

You've to to realise that you should post videos on here which you have actually throughly practiced and feel that you can't improve it, thats when others can have a look at it and suggest improvements, which will polish the trick off nicely.

just 2 points mate.

First, this is VERY angly. So try and keep the packet facing square on to the audience. Thats is really everything elese was fine and will get smoother with practice.

Second, id opt to ribbon spread the deck to reveal the aces. The way you did was kind of sloppy to be honest. So either ribbon spread OR have the spec spread through.

Other than that well done mate, its not the most asngle sensitive pf tricks and you did pretty well.

i know and to answer several questions:
1. yes he did credit the creator of the ascanio spread and at the end left plugs for their sites and i know its not mostly his trick but i thought i should include it...
2.i know its a very angley trick and ive performed it several times and only been caught out once by someone who was trying to find it ou but i think on this video unless you know what your looking for its not that obvious but ill keep it in mind....
3. i know i couldnt ribbon spread it was a crappy, sticky little drawer thing i had to work on to get the right camera angle and in performance i get the spectator to spread the deck out, and thats when i end clean so i couldnt on this video
4.thanks for pointing out my hand ive just noticed it does look like its holding it a little tightly and ill practice that and make it smoother

im glad the first move where i put the 4 cards into my left hand wasnt too noticeable as i spent a great deal of time practicing that move and of course in performance the spectator can feel the 4 aces...

finally thanks again for everyones comments and criticism its all greatly appreciated and it will all be taken into consideration...
i will now polish off the effect, maybe use a new table, and hopefully have a better video!!

joecarr14

as you could see i found it quite a challenge to seperate and spread the cards...

Ok, so he credits the Ascanio Spread - but that's not really enough. Not only does it use the move - it's the exact same handling as an Ascanio effect. Move for move, the entire routine is exact.

I'm sorry to latch this onto your performance thread, joe - but this is one of the things that really bothers me with companies like Ellusionist.

About the angles - you're right, it isn't overt. If you don't know where to look, you probably won't find it, but you still need to bear the angles in mind while performing. Personally, I thought the angle issue was due to the restrictions of your camera, not your technique.

thanks its not really easy to do on camera as i tried several angles and this one was the best. Unless its a birds eye view then it becomes a very angley trick on camera if you know what your looking for...

i too am not a big fan of ellusionist for that reason and several others, but this effect i think, if worked on is worth the money and is a good, gimmickless trick and i would recommend it.... thanks again for criticism and comments....

Demitri wrote:I'm sorry to latch this onto your performance thread, joe - but this is one of the things that really bothers me with companies like Ellusionist.

thats fine im glad people are taking an interest and sharing opinions its good that you are!