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So, I've given into temptation and joined the forum.

Postby Adrian Morgan » Dec 6th, '07, 11:11



I wasn't going to do this. Not until I at least had a video to show off, but I've yet to find an opportunity involving someone who owns a video camera. Also, I have little experience in the magical art and am not very ambitious, in the sense that I have no ambition ever to perform for a paying audience. But I do have an ambition to do whatever magic I do do, well.

But I feel like talking about magic, and hey, why not?

I have been lurking on talkmagic for more than enough time to have learned some valuable secrets. For example, I have learned that seige can be trusted to hold sensible opinions. (I hope that doesn't count as exposure.)

My very earliest introductions to magic are of little consequence - a combination of family, library books and Paul Daniels - but the first source of tricks that had a lasting influence on me was The Mysterious Book of Magic by Peter Eldin (originally published as The Pocket Book of Magic). This book introduced me to the idea that magic could be creative. For example, on page 89, Eldin writes:
Where do new tricks come from? The answer is that they are invented by magicians who take the trouble to think about their magic. [...] They also spend a great deal of time thinking about the tricks they perform and how they can be improved. Look at the tricks you do and see if there is any way you can develop them. [...] Ask yourself what the effect would be if you performed it in reverse order or if you combined two tricks together. With thought, many of the tricks in this book can be adapted and made into new tricks.


My father was always good at spotting how card tricks are done. But when I took Peter Eldin's advice and combined two tricks into one, the result absolutely floored him. And it was simply a combination of the 21-card trick with a false shuffle. Dad was convinced that I'd ruined the 21-card trick by shuffling the cards, and was therefore astounded when it still worked. "But you shuffled them!!" The satisfaction I got that day is part of the reason why I have never stopped being interested in the performance of magic.
    *** Edit: As explained further down the thread, I was actually thinking of the 27-card trick. A minor thinko on my part, but they are essentially the same thing. ***
I don't know how old I was then. Early teens would be about right. Every now and then, I've got out my 21-card-trick-with-false-shuffle-and-sentimental-value and improved it. It is now a sophisticated (if somewhat lengthy) performance involving a story-based patter, several bits of misdirection and other cunning moves that I worked out all by myself, and some real shuffles as well as the false one (I even give the spectator a turn). This group has discussed the 21-card trick here, and the view was expressed here that "the 21-card-trick would not be easy to make entertaining". Well, here's the general gist of the patter that I use.

    "In a town far away", I explain, "there was once a temple, and in that temple there were three altars. There was an altar to the God of the River, there was an altar to the God of the Wind, and there was an altar to the God of the Land". I have props to represent the three altars, and I place these on the table in time with the patter. Then I go on: "Once a year, at the time of the annual festivities, people would come and lay treasures upon the three altars". Here I deal out the cards, each of which represents a treasure.

    A little later, I explain: "But what nobody knew was that one of the treasures, on one of the altars, was in fact a powerful magical artifact ... in disguise. Now, what I want you to do is to choose a card that will represent the magical artifact. And when you've looked through as many of the piles as you want to and made a decision, the only thing I want to know is which altar the artifact is on".

    A selection having been made, I collect the piles, explaining that: "After the festivities were over, the priests would gather up the treasures and do priestly things with them, and in the nature of things the treasures would find their way back into circulation in the community". If the chosen card (representing the magical artifact) was on the altar to the God of the River, I explain that the year that followed was good for the fishing industry. If it was on the altar to the God of the Land, then it's a good year for the farmers. And so on. This justifies why I need to know the location of the selected card in order to tell the story.

    To briefly summarise the rest of the trick, a wandering magician visits the town, on a quest for the magical artifact, and robs the temple. He begins to cast a spell to make the artifact reveal itself, but the gods are angered, and do the sorts of things gods do when they are angry, such as floods, storms and earthquakes, scattering all the treasures across the land. Of course, the cards get a good shuffling at this point. ("And just to make sure that the treasures are thoroughly scattered, I would like you to have a turn at shuffling the cards, please".) But despite the best that the gods can do, the magician character eventually prevails and correctly locates the artifact.


That's enough of a description for now, and I think the main point is that although I have little expertise in magic, I pride myself in presenting tricks thoughtfully and creatively. If you have questions, I will consider answering them, and if the above inspires a discussion (perhaps about story-based patter in general), I expect it to be interesting. For now, moving on ...

My cousin's daughter is nine years old and developing an interest in magic. Wanting to nurture this, I suggested doing a family magic show sometime, and this is expected to take place somewhere around New Year's. In November, I went to a one-day "Magic For Beginners" WEA course and picked up a few ideas, as well as buying a kit of sponge balls and other simple equipment. I have been working on a simple routine that combines sponge balls with a Magician's Choice. Looking forward to New Years, but apprehensive about having enough opportunity to practice in between all the usual excitements of late December.

I'll finish by mentioning a couple of non-magical skills of mine (which may or may not make me sound more interesting). Well, I play keyboard, have composed music, and frequently improvise it. Also, I've invented games, including a thing or two with cards but the best game I've invented involves a set of dominoes. I know a thing or two about linguistics. At university, I majored in computer science. That will do.

I hope that I have something to contribute here, however humble.

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Re: So, I've given into temptation and joined the forum.

Postby seige » Dec 6th, '07, 11:18

Adrian Morgan wrote:I have been lurking on talkmagic for more than enough time to have learned some valuable secrets. For example, I have learned that seige can be trusted to hold sensible opinions. (I hope that doesn't count as exposure.)


Not quite sure of the weight of that, but welcome anyway ;)

That's possibly the most comprehensive and mighty introduction I've ever read... thanks. And if ANYONE is shallow enough to just write the obligatory 'Welcome!" one-word post in response to that intro, I'll personally put pins in their underwear.

(I am also guessing that the one-word/one line 'welcome' responders never actually read the intros anyway)

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Postby Mandrake » Dec 6th, '07, 11:19

Fantastic intro - welcome to TM!

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Postby Lady of Mystery » Dec 6th, '07, 12:44

A brilliant intro, welcome to TM :D

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Postby joecarr14 » Dec 6th, '07, 17:44

welcome

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Postby joecarr14 » Dec 6th, '07, 17:46

haahah seige im just kidding, great comprehensive introduction and i did read it all and it does seem like a lot of good points... except the seige one lol! :lol: *shudders at what is going to happen next* :roll:

anyway welcome to tm, if you enjoy mentalism let me know as ive never tried it, and wouldnt mind hearing from someone who learns it after never doing it before...

enjoy your stay here at TM! :D

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Postby dat8962 » Dec 6th, '07, 19:39

Ouch Seige - they're sharp pins :lol:

Seriously, a warm welcome Adrian and yes, it was a most interesting and well written introduction. Like many I would guess that the 21 card trick is the first trick that comes to us. It was in my case and many many years before I found magic. Adding a false shuffle - very simple but what a touch of genius!

I'm glad that you didn't 'lurk' any longer and joined.

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Postby .:Ham:. » Dec 6th, '07, 23:40

Welcome! Love the avatar. It reminds me of my 2 grade teacher, and yes, it was a she.

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Postby Adrian Morgan » Dec 7th, '07, 00:11

dat8962 wrote:Like many I would guess that the 21 card trick is the first trick that comes to us. It was in my case and many many years before I found magic. Adding a false shuffle - very simple but what a touch of genius!


I realised some time after posting that it is actually the twenty-seven card trick, but it's exactly the same thing - two thirds of the cards are ruled out in each round until only one remains. To flesh out my description just slightly, when I've narrowed the selection down to three possible cards, I arrange for those three cards to be the top cards of the three piles. With a couple of riffle-shuffles, it's then trivial to make them the top three cards in the deck. In my modern presentation, this corresponds to the bit where the magician character robs the temple of its treasures "and stuffed them together in his bag, so they were all mixed up".

The next bit of patter goes, "And then he carried them away to a cave by the river, and there he began to cast a magic spell that would cause the artifact to reveal itself". Here, I ask the spectator what their favourite magic word is, and get them to repeat it a couple of times. The real point of this is to misdirect them from my next secret move. The idea of asking for a spectator's favourite magic word as a means of misdirection came to me a couple of years ago, and dramatically improved what was previously a weak point in the trick. It has the added bonus of (hopefully) making the spectator feel involved in the magic, especially a little later when the treasures are scattered across the land and I explain, "And yet, the magic word that the magician had spoken was so powerful that no matter what happened, it was destined that one day, he and the artifact would be reunited".

The first card trick I ever learned was the one where you use cards with asymmetric faces, such as the typical souvineer pack where every card has a scenic photograph on it, and you arrange for the spectator's card to be the only one where the picture is facing the "wrong" way.

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Re: So, I've given into temptation and joined the forum.

Postby Adrian Morgan » Dec 7th, '07, 00:21

seige wrote:That's possibly the most comprehensive and mighty introduction I've ever read... thanks.

But as always, the hard bit is deciding what to leave out . . .

And if ANYONE is shallow enough to just write the obligatory 'Welcome!" one-word post in response to that intro, I'll personally put pins in their underwear.

Pin-through-underwear, eh?

I bet I can guess the method, but the demo vid might well be worth watching anyway, depending on the presentation. :P

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Postby Part-Timer » Dec 8th, '07, 13:56

I don't normally respond to introductory posts (as there are plenty of nice people around here who do), but I sought this one out, after reading your interesting ideas on story-telling in magic.

It sounds like you've got a really good approach to magic. Like you, I have no real desire to perform for a paying audience, although I enjoy my occasional performances and spend a lot of time (and money...) trying to improve what I do.

I hope that you don't get any further problems connecting to the forum.

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Postby Adrian Morgan » Dec 9th, '07, 02:26

Part-Timer wrote:I don't normally respond to introductory posts (as there are plenty of nice people around here who do), but I sought this one out, after reading your interesting ideas on story-telling in magic.


I'm glad you found my post on story-telling interesting. I'm hoping that in time it will achieve its main purpose, which is to attract some responses from which I can learn a few things.

It sounds like you've got a really good approach to magic. Like you, I have no real desire to perform for a paying audience, although I enjoy my occasional performances and spend a lot of time (and money...) trying to improve what I do.


I'm not dedicated enough to spend large amounts of money.

The WEA "Magic For Beginners" course I went to in November would have cost me about $60 Australian (about 25 British pounds) including the props, and the only book of magic I've purchased this year was The Creative Magician's Handbook by Marvin Kaye (which is essentially a reprint of The Stein and Day Handbook of Magic, first published in 1973). I got this from Amazon.

If I hear of a magic book that tempts me to buy it, I'm likely to add the URL to my bookmarks and let it sit there for a few months before doing anything at all. As I said in my story-telling post, two books by Robert Neale (Tricks of the Imagination and Life, Death and Other Card Tricks) are currently contenders for my next purchase, but my last purchase was so recent that I don't intend to make another until, perhaps, midyear 2008. In the meantime I'll mull over the possibilities and perhaps end up deciding on something totally different.

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