Perfect shadow

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Perfect shadow

Postby Dikobraz » Dec 29th, '07, 23:53



http://www.magicvideodepot.com/main/action/viewvideo/7669/Perfect_Shadow/
Does anybody know how this effect is really called? And, where can you buy it? Thanks!!!

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Postby bronz » Dec 30th, '07, 12:07

The original plot of covering four coins then having them assemble one at a time somewhere else is quite old and known as Matrix. It was done with cards covering the coins at first but nowadays the hand covering versions are pretty common, Blaine did it wih cards in one of his early specials and Criss Angel did it with his hands on one of the Mindfreak shows I think.

If you've got Bobo there's a version in there with cards which will give you the basic idea, in terms of hand only versions that have been marketed Daniel Garcia's Sh4de is apparently pretty good. I haven't seen it myself though, otherwise there's quite a lot of routines available. Do a search for coin matrix on Google and see what you get.

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Postby Dikobraz » Dec 30th, '07, 12:33

isn't this something like dill's explosion? Is it based on the same principle? And what about The Raven? (I am thinking of buying this trick, there's a gimmick with it, right?)

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Postby bronz » Dec 31st, '07, 00:15

No idea about the Dill effect I'm afraid. As for the Raven, it's got no direct link to this routine, it's more of a utility gimmick (or one trick pony depending on your viewpoint) but it could be incorporated to do any clean up that may be necessary.

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Postby Michael Jay » Dec 31st, '07, 13:41

Classically, when done with the hands (using any small object, not just coins) it is called "Chink-a-Chink." When done with four coins and cards, it is called "Matrix."

On the DVD "Coin Magic 2000" (Dill) you'll find a plethora of coin matrixes using gaffed and non-gaffed methods. Also, you can find a chink-a-chink on "Up In Smoke" (Cummins) as well as a matrix style, using bills with coins, instead of cards.

Over the years, this type of presentation has been covered by many, many magicians and can be found in various DVDs and books.

With the "Perfect Shadow" it is going to require very specific surroundings to pull off (although it is technically a very nice piece). Many years back, I saw Bob King perform a piece that was exactly what you have with "Perfect Shadow." I can't tell you where Mr. King got his inspiration from exactly, but I can tell you that he was doing this some 15 years ago.

You can also find material for doing the precursor to all of the matrix/chink-a-chink routines in Bobo. You'll further find out how to make your own Raven in Bobo.

Of worthy note, the Raven has nothing to do with the effect that you see above ("Perfect Shadow"). So, if you're looking to purchase a Raven in the hopes of doing that effect, then I suggest that you give it a pass.

Dill's "Explosion" is a chink-a-chink style, but it is much more (and also requires a very exacting surrounding to present effectively). You can see Dill's presentation here: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lpuh85Cp3eE

Dill's "Explosion" can be purchased at Dean Dill's website for the mere cost of $1,000.00 - or around 500 pounds if you're in the UK. You'll not likely find it anywhere else. And, for 800 dollars more, you can upgrade to silver dollars...

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Postby Dikobraz » Dec 31st, '07, 14:40

thanks a lot! I was planning to buy this chink-a-chink routine (where can i buy it?)... I preform coin matrix without a problem, but i was wondering if penguin magic coin flux 2 is worth buying? I mean, it's almost the same effect as coin matrix, except it's gimmicked(probably), so i was wondering if you can do some other tricks with this coin flux 2 gimmick?
here's the link http://youtube.com/watch?v=uNzz7vRbhhM
When you say Bobo you mean Modern coin magic?

P.S. I also heard that raven is not as perfect as it seems - you can't do it cleanly with short sleeves and without a black outfit... is it true?

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Postby Peter Marucci » Dec 31st, '07, 14:52

Bobo means Modern Coin Magic, yes.
If you have it, fine; if you don't, shame on you!

The Raven can be done without long sleeves -- but not well.
Same with black clothes.

Bobo says SC (Sympathetic Coins) is one of the oldest and best coin closeup tricks; he is, of course, right.

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Postby Michael Jay » Dec 31st, '07, 15:12

I was planning to buy this chink-a-chink routine (where can I buy it?)


There must be a way to PM the guy who put it up...He'd probably know, if it isn't his creation, where you can purchase it. I would suggest against it because, again, it has very exacting performance requirements (in other words, you can't just whip it out and say, "Wanna see a trick?").

In the real world, you'll find far too many problems to overcome to make this worth your time (unless, of course, you just want to make a vid, then it'll be fine).

I was wondering if penguin magic coin flux 2 is worth buying? I mean, it's almost the same effect as coin matrix, except it's gimmicked(probably), so I was wondering if you can do some other tricks with this coin flux 2 gimmick?


Yes, Coin Flux 2 is gimmicked. Whether or not you can use that gimmick in relation to doing other tricks, or coming up with something of your own, is proportional to your own, personal creativity.

Suggested that you give it a pass, buy Bobo and use the study guide.

I also heard that raven is not as perfect as it seems


Welcome to the wonderful world of magic where nothing is perfect. There is always a problem, somewhere, that must be overcome with any trick that you'll ever do. The Raven isn't the only thing to suffer from this problem, everything has a problem, somewhere.

This is why I say that there are no bad tricks, only bad magicians. What is a masterpiece in your hands will be a sad, little trick in mine and vice-versa. The trick to doing magic is to find those pieces that work for you...It may be the Raven, it may not. Generally, though, you'll find that most guys who pick up the Raven use it once or twice and then it is relegated to the back of a drawer somewhere in their house.

I think that you'll find the same problem with Coin Flux 2...Then again, maybe not - I'm not you. Nobody is you, except you, and only you can figure out what is the best for you. And that's the best that I can tell you.

Buy Bobo.

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