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Hello there,

I've had an idea for an effect I'd love to perform and would be grateful if anybody knows of an existing one and where its published.

I quite simply would like to be able to present a deck, and with a pass of the hand the whole deck has flipped over.

I'd like it to be as natural looking as possible (no fancy movements beforehand), and using a regular deck. I envisage casually showing a user the cards, both sides, before squaring the deck. Then with a small rub and no explanation as to how, the deck flips the other way up.

I've tried piecing it together but quite frankly, I'm nowhere near.

Somebody must've already done this!

Thanks for any help anybody can give.
John

I'm sure most standard card texts have something similar to this in them. If you've got something like Expert Card Technique (and if you haven't, get it) learn a colour change, that's essentially the sleight I use to do this kind of effect.

Hope that makes some sort of sense, it's hard to explain without exposure.

Thanks for the reply Serendipity. I'm not looking to change one card (I use the standard Erdnase change for that) but rather the whole deck. When I say change I mean "reverse", as if you'd picked the deck up out of your left hand, turned it over and set it back down in your left hand.

I've got a few good books at my disposal, including Expert Card Technique and other standards. The closest I've found is Topsy Turvy Cards in RRTCM, but I'd prefer a simpler presentation.

I'll let you know if I come up with a solution, but any other advice very welcome!

John

Check out David Stone's Real Secrets of Magic Volume 2 - there's an effect in there that is perfect for what you want to do.

That's basically a pass, but doing the entire deck rather than two halves, right? Instead of moving one half, you simply flip the entire deck - I'm thinking that the mechanics would be very much the same.

Or, I could be way out in left field.

Mike.

Yes basically a full-deck pass. I hadn't considered that until now, assuming there would simply be too much movement to make it viable.

When I imagine watching the effect, there really isn't any (detectable) movement of the left hand as the right wipes over it.

Thanks Demitri, you've just given me the excuse I needed to buy both volumes.

Possibly T.G Murphy's Deck Flip? It can be found in his book "Imagication" under the effect "The Mid-air Triple Cut" I believe. It can also be found in Dan and Dave Buck's "The Trilogy" and Daniel Garcia's DVD "The Daniel Garcia Project Volume 3" (Effect C.A.A.N).

Hope this helps

stevebo wrote:Possibly T.G Murphy's Deck Flip? It can be found in his book "Imagication" under the effect "The Mid-air Triple Cut" I believe. It can also be found in Dan and Dave Buck's "The Trilogy" and Daniel Garcia's DVD "The Daniel Garcia Project Volume 3" (Effect C.A.A.N).

Hope this helps

That's a bit too visual for what he is looking for I think.

For those who have not seen it, it's a flourish where the deck jumps up from your hand, turns over, and lands back in your hand. (Much harder to do when you realise that you are supposed to do it and catch ALL the cards)

Do you really need to flip the deck in the one move. How about using a reversal, the type that you'd use for a self reversing card effect. There's a couple of ways to do this in Royal Road. Show the deck, pass you hand over the top, palm the top card and it'll appear to the spec as if the deck's just flipped.

Hi stevebo, thanks for that. I've known that flip for a while (I think it's that one) and have worked at hiding it under the pass of my right hand, but it isn't looking quite right (not to mention being somewhat angly).

I want to gently wipe the cards (as if replacing a p****d card) and have the deck almost "melt" into the reversed position. I know it's asking a lot but I'm also working to be able to do it as a spec burns my hands. Further to that (!), I think the card shown on the bottom of the deck should be the one to appear face up at the climax.

I'll be sure to post a vid if I get it sorted.

Cheers
John

Hows about a trusty DB card so you can spread the cards and show them all face down. (a sneaky turn as yu square up! )
DB on face and all looks the same!
DB vanishes - erdnase style or clipped and stolen!
Deck the other wayy up without much effort!

Thanks Andyb, I shall muck about with a DB, though I suspect it won't quite satisfy my stubborn and somewhat ill-conceived "no gaffs" mindset

I think I'm trying to make it so the right hand ends clean and can be shown right away (due to so many people suspecting a palm).

If you Erdnase it then do a block of two push off - you are essentially clean (ish) and because of your 'no gaffs' rule - no one will suspect you!
Ring it in easily and then back out.
Or do a H*** P*** with the bottom card and do the same - no gaffs and max impact!

I still think this is being over complicated abit, I don't see any need for gimmicks or even any complicated moves. Show the deck face up, turn the whole thing face down, this is where you do you do the dirty moves for the deck reversal. Then all that is left is to wipe your hand over the back of the deck, steal off that top card and you're left with a face up deck and the card that was on the face when you showed it is going to be on the face again. Ok so you're left with a card palmed but simply toss the deck into the other hand and you're clean and the deck order is preserved.