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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBR6ZatHbWE

excellent patter for such an easy easy trick , i never will underestimate the power of the patter

Easy?

It's made to APPEAR easy by the art and skill of Paul Daniels. But, if you look at it in another light, you'll see the enormous amount of work and timing that went into it.

yeh i mean the actual trick is easy .... but not really effective unless backed up with the patter , he really makes it work

A note, before I begin: Please take this post in the spirit that it is intended - it isn't a "shot" at you, honestly

the great suprendo wrote:yeh I mean the actual trick is easy .... but not really effective unless backed up with the patter , he really makes it work

Little by little, ever so slowly, you're learning. What you have stumbled upon, here, is an ultimate secret of magic. A secret that your downloaded library has either failed to give you or because of the massive size of it, you've overlooked it.

You are now standing on the edge of a chasm. Real magic. On the other side is your library. If you can bridge that chasm, you can be a real magician.

Continue on, if you must. But, I have to warn you...If you make it to the other side, you will look at magic and the industry very differently than you do now. You might even delete your entire (illegally downloaded) library and start actually buying the stuff and paying the artists for their work.

Proceed with caution.

Mike.

yes , i will buy my dvd's from now on ..seriously ..they have given me an unrelated collection of random magic ..but to focus i need to really get just the dvd's i need , which will mean having to buy them ..my first one will be a zombie ball dvd i will buy it

yup, as I said earlier a trick is just that, it's the performance that makes it magic.

My reccomendation to you would be Mark Wilson's Complete Course, a very good book which will give you a great base in lots of different areas of magic.

Ah Its not only the trick and patter. The patter has to be belivable take a 10 year old saying he is using psycology to do a mentalism effect.

Now take that and give it to a 35 year old He has a lot more sway. Also with patter and the trick you have to have be a showman.

Trick
Patter
Showmanship.

After all most tricks are stories that need to be told well.

Wow that clip is so slick.. thanks for drawing our attention to it Suprendo.
I sometimes think it's a crying shame the way that Paul Daniels seems to have lost the general public's respect.
Although, wot's with the hair? There's enough misdirection in that hairstyle for I-don't-know-wot! I bet you could hide a few electronic mentalism gimmicks in that haircut! (a nod there to another thread)

I am concerned I use exclamation marks too much on talkmagic.

Markdini wrote:Ah Its not only the trick and patter. The patter has to be belivable take a 10 year old saying he is using psycology to do a mentalism effect.

Now take that and give it to a 35 year old He has a lot more sway. Also with patter and the trick you have to have be a showman.

Trick
Patter
Showmanship.

After all most tricks are stories that need to be told well.

Don't forget - add a few grey hairs

the great suprendo wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBR6ZatHbWE

excellent patter for such an easy easy trick , I never will underestimate the power of the patter

I agree with Mike,

You've made a good point there. It never fails to amaze me when I go to see touring magicians (and I mean magicians, not illusionists), how simple a lot of their material often is.

It is quite often something that we've learned, and moved on from, and yet, there they are, performing it, the audience truly mystified by it, they're getting paid for it, and yet, it's something we know is quite simple, and a bit old hat.

I recently went to see Monday Night Magic on a trip to New York, and was amazed with what I saw. Unequal/Equal Ropes, a simple Linking Rings routine, Card on Ceiling, and a Miser's Dream, while during the break, there was a simple brainwave deck, card to wallet, and a good old fashioned sponge ball routine. Now, I paid good money for me and my wife to see the show, and despite the fact that the only thing I couldn't do myself was the Losander floating table (for budget reasons, obviously), I thoroughly enjoyed myself, and was VERY glad I went.

The reason? Like you say, the presentation. Patter is indeed very important, as is stagecraft, showmanship or whatever you want to call it. The magicians were true professionals (Chris Capehart, Michael Chaut), and despite knowing how much of the tricks were done, that was hardly the point. I learned a lot about presentation, and a few little things here and there that made it very worth while.

Also, if you go and see Paul Daniels, much of the stuff he performs on the stage is pretty straightforward, Chop Cup for example. However, when Paul performs it, it IS magic, not a just a chop cup, due to his sleight of hand skill, and presentation.

I can't view the clip you've linked to at the moment as I'm at work, but I know the trick, and if I'm right, there's actually very little magic involved, much of it is the story, and comedy of the piece. These things are all very important, and the one thing that turns you from someone that 'does a couple of card tricks' into a magician.

If you're serious about buying a Zombie DVD, then World's Greatest Magic have one, you can get it for £14.99 from some of the magic shops in the adverts at the bottom of the thread. There's also a Zombie book available, a small paperback book with an orange cover, I can't remember what it's called, but I think it's quite cheap, and available from Magic Books By Post if I remember correctly. I don't have the above DVD myself, but I have several of the other World's Greatest Magic DVDs, and they're usually good value for money, and it has Jeff McBride's routine on there, which is fantastic.

thx max and lasy of mystery il look them up

VoodooMick wrote:I sometimes think it's a crying shame the way that Paul Daniels seems to have lost the general public's respect.

I'm curious about that remark, because I lived in Scotland for a few years as a child (from when I was two up until mid 1983 when I was almost six), and remember watching the Paul Daniels show regularly (and having some of the magic props for kids that were marketted under his name). But having been in Australia ever since (save one holiday) I really have no idea what's happened to Paul in the meantime.

Judging from Youtube videos, his earlier work does seem to have a lot more presentational flair. But is the loss of respect you mention related to a perception that his magic is declining in quality, or to something else?

its all due to politics, him and kieth harris won't play the political game, why should they.
i still wow audiences of all ages with my change bag routine which is as old as cups and balls, its not what you have its what you can do with it, thats the rea secret of magic.

regards dvds and zombies i had a great dvd by a childrens magic entertainer that has the plans for the thing, the name escapes me at the present but it will come back to me, its worth getting for that alone as it alows you to vanish the zombie completely and recapture it.

Paul Daniels is a mater entertainer and very quick witted. Yes, the tricks are good and some simple, but he's such a slick performer that even effects that you know how to do are hard to detect in the hands of Daniels.
His shows were watched by millions and he put magic into the public eye for a long time. A great talent.

Paul honed his skills getting out there performing in the real world, working men's clubs and such like, so the interaction with human beings is second nature to him as he put in years of hard work before he appeared on television. The earliest performance I recall watching of his was on The Wheeltappers and Shunters Club and I was instantly impressed.

Patter is important. These videos on youtube set to some awful grunge music have no charm or reason. I like to see the 'tricks' as special effects to enhance stories.