Un-palming coins

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Un-palming coins

Postby @trophy » Jan 25th, '08, 05:24



I'm having considerable trouble bringing coins from either the finger-palm or classic palm position to the tips of my fingers in any way that doesn't look exactly like "I'm bringing something that I'm palming up to the tips of my fingers, and badly at that..." The closest I can get is to turn my hand over with fingers curled in, let the coin drop on my fingertips, then apply pressure with my thumb and flip the whole thing over.

Does anybody have any advice on how to bring it to my fingertips in a more "magical" way?

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Postby bronz » Jan 25th, '08, 10:36

Before anyone starts going into details on which fingers to put where do you mean bringing coins to your fingertips as a production or secretly ready for another move?

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Postby Lady of Mystery » Jan 25th, '08, 11:26

I think it's pretty much the same however you do it, let the coin fall out of the palm and catch it near the tips of your curled fingers. If you do this as part of a bigger move, maybe a gesture it'll look perfectly natural. The good old saying, a big move covers a small one works here. If you're producing the coin from the air or behind an ear or something similar then let the coin fall while your hand is moving to grab it from where ever it's comming from.

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Postby @trophy » Jan 25th, '08, 14:42

Ok so that's the way I've been doing it, just need to get better. Figures. Thanks for your help!

EDIT: I've seen several where the magician rubs his fingers and thumb together and suddenly a coin appears at his fingertips in between them for a production. I can't find a video on youtube to see if they turn their hand upside down first, but does anyone know if that's the same move or if there's a different method I need to be learning for those kind of productions?

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Postby bronz » Jan 25th, '08, 19:38

As a rule you don't wan't to be producing coins from classic palm for a flash production, which is the sort of thing you mentioned where you rub your fingers together and produce a coin as if from nowhere. Finger palm is the way to go for that, and it's essentially just a case of pushing the coin quickly inot view with your thumb. David Stone has some nice stuff like this if you want to check out his work. Of course lots of practice is the main thing, especially when dropping coins from classic palm to fingertips. It'll come though, don't worry.

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Postby @trophy » Jan 27th, '08, 12:46

So on the subject of "Practice makes permenant": I recently discovered a link to coinvanish.com on these here forums, and I discovered that the reason my hand couldn't look natural with a coin classic palmed was that I've been using the wrong muscle group these past 15 years... :oops: I'm left handed, so I started practicing tonight doing the correct classic palm with my right hand, which picked up the basic technique in a little over an hour. Now all I have to do is work on making it look good. My left hand is still having issues though, mainly due to the fact that I've been doing it wrong for the past 15 years. LOL.

Anyways I'm getting better at everything... cards, coins, etc. There seems to be a lot of things that instead of it getting gradually easier, it seems like I flat out can't do it at all, and then at some clearly defined point in time it just gets easier and I can't remember what made it hard. I hope as I continue more things will end up being like that.

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Postby Farlsborough » Jan 27th, '08, 15:16

In terms of "rubbing the fingers together, then producing a coin", I suspect they actually had the coin in some kind of Downs palm. I don't often do this, but I quite often put the coin into a Down's palm finger clip... have the coin in finger palm, then bring the index finger over the coin and use it to pinch the coin between index and middle finger, somewhere between the two finger joints. You should be able to straighten your hand and the coin will be clipped between these two fingers, sticking out perpendicular to the hand. Obviously, you wouldn't do this, you'd keep the hand naturally curled - the coin is now in a sort of Down's palm position, only it's being supported by the clip of the fingers, not by the thumb.

You can now put your thumb under the coin, and push sharply up (almost is if you were flipping a coin). As you do so, you pinch the coin between the middle of your index finger and your thumb. The bottom edge pops off the middle finger and thus out of the finger clip. This "flips" the coin into view, which is much more visual than pushing it into view from a finger palm.

Hope that made some sense! I'd do a video but I can't find the lead for my camera :(

Edit: this is especially good for producing a coin "from the mouth" because as you push the coin up with the thumb, you sort of flip it into your mouth, so when it is revealed it is actually half in your mouth and you are seen to pull it out.

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