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Postby Farlsborough » Feb 20th, '08, 02:52



Just been doing more research - thank you all so much for your suggestions. That's why I love this place - I've already got to work on the Shuffle Bored style routine, as well as the Jonah card (can't believe it's that easy! And yet so strong! Where can I find the Basil Horowitz routine Abraxus?)

Thanks again :D

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Postby Wills » Feb 20th, '08, 12:01

Just to add a couple more points.

If you like a Si stebbins stacked deck it can work well with a memorized deck routine. Then with the si stebbins stack you can deal out 4 poker hands (5 card hand) which will start with a 5 high straight flush with each hand beating the previous and eventually end with a royal flush.

Add in a few false sh****es in between all of this and you have a nice mini routine for poker.

Also if you have Art of Astonishment books- check out the routine from a shuffled pack and I mean from a spec shuffled deck. Its very balls out but can be a brilliant impromptu gambling effect.

Hope some of this helps

Can anybody please help me? I'm having terrible problems controlling my streetmagic- I can't walk down a street without turning into a pub.
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Postby babyshanks » Feb 20th, '08, 18:44

Did Derren Brown do one where you deal ten cards onto the table and let the spec pick any 5 cards but you will always win? Or you can let the spec win if ya feel generous :)

Or someone said earlier the luke jermay one which is just the same as the one from Derren Brown just does it three times in a row. That one is on the Penguin site

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Postby Farlsborough » Feb 20th, '08, 19:14

Hi Wills - I do - could you give me any further detail, i.e. the name of the trick?! Cheers.

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Postby IAIN » Feb 20th, '08, 20:20

its in the Mental Magic of Basil Horwitz Vol2 mate...

genius little books they are...martin breese is out of stock at the moment, but i think you can get them elsewhere...

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Postby Wills » Feb 21st, '08, 11:43

For the si stebbins tricks I bought an ebook of trickshop.com a while ago, here's a link:

http://www.trickshop.com/stebbins.html

The two tricks your after are called the dream poker deal and the memorized deck. These two tricks are ridiculously easy if you know the si stebbins stack.

I'm not a person for whole deck stacks but the apparent ability to memorize a deck after one riffle through them and then deal out 3 straight flushes and a royal flush is hard to beat.

For the tricks in Art of Astonishment check out "A subtle poker move" and "blackjack challenge" both in book 2.

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Postby greedoniz » Feb 21st, '08, 12:18

If you are looking for amazing looking poker type effects the I would really recommend the Sal Piacente lecture notes dvd's. The Marlo Opener, Memory opener, Paint poker and 4,5,6 packet trick all look like amazing feats of card skill but require very little in the way of sleights.

There is a review of the DVD on here somewhere......

http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic3854.p ... l+piacente

In the review it does state that it is a 4/5 on the difficulty stakes which is true for many of the effects but several are almost self working...almost

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Postby EckoZero » Feb 21st, '08, 12:37

I'm going to second "a poker puzzle" and I'll also throw "Poker faced" by our very own Tomo. This is a genius idea. Completely impromptu too.

Also, Paul Zenon has a nice version of a poker puzzle in his book Street Magic.

And if you want a blackjack themed gambling trick, hit me with a PM

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Postby Wills » Feb 21st, '08, 13:12

Just remembered that R Paul Wilson has some good poker themed tricks.

I had a look at his "progressive poker deal", it looks impressive but couldn't find much in the way of reviews for it and didn't wanna fork out £13 on one trick.

If you do buy it could you let me know what it's like , or anyone else for that matter. Cheers.

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Postby TheAlkhemist07 » Feb 21st, '08, 16:20

What about further than that in MWCCM.

Its not too gambly but still has all that royal flush blah.

Theres a trick in the RRTCMcant remember the name atm, Ill pm if i find out.

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Postby Soren Riis » Feb 21st, '08, 17:43

I forgot to mention the 26000$ bet (also on Green Lite) that is another "pearl". I usually do it impromptu by first making a R/B separation followed by a perfect faro. If the faro goes wrong it is easy to correct since you are explaining how card cheaters try to glimpse and memorise card sequences.

Then let the spectator do the rosetta shuffle (as explained on Lennart Green's tape) and the miracle is ready to happen (based on the Gilbery principle).

Tip: I always ask a specific spectator to make sure I am not changing the order of the cards and that there are exactly as the were shuffled together by the spectator. This allows the other spectators to relax and follow the story line, while they a convinced that there is no way you can manipulate the cards.

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Postby kevsashark » Feb 21st, '08, 19:50

greedoniz wrote:If you are looking for amazing looking poker type effects the I would really recommend the Sal Piacente lecture notes dvd's. The Marlo Opener, Memory opener, Paint poker and 4,5,6 packet trick all look like amazing feats of card skill but require very little in the way of sleights.


I totally agree with that. Great routines, and although Rob Stiff might not do justice to the type of reactions you'll actually get, they are impressive "looking," even if, as Greedoniz remarks, they are not the most difficult in terms of sleights.

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Postby Farlsborough » Feb 21st, '08, 21:24

Soren Riis wrote:Then let the spectator do the rosetta shuffle (as explained on Lennart Green's tape) and the miracle is ready to happen (based on the Gilbery principle).


Heh heh... who was it that said that his favourite out for a trick going wrong in front of magicians was throwing them in the air and muttering "Gilbreathe principle my @rse..." :lol:

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Postby Farlsborough » Feb 23rd, '08, 14:42

Just to say thanks guys for all the advice. The gig is in a week, and with your help I've molded a few tricks I already do to the theme, and added a couple of fantastic routines to my rep.

What I'll be doing:

Gambling themed tricks -
Shuffle-Bored (lennart green style with counting cards)
10 Card Poker Deal
Red Hot Mama in my Wallet (the chicago opener, based around "marked cards", with a CtW kicker)
The Poker Puzzle
Fast and Loose
Traditional 3 Card Monte
World Famous 2 Coin Trick (set up as the World famous 2 coin "game", with a betting presentation)
Spectator Cuts 10 (David Soloman/Eugene Burger)

Then, for the ladies/light relief -
The Web
Postcard prediction (David Acer's use of OTL, very cool)
Match.com
Card Warp
Spongeballs
20th Century ? - a Fernando Keops trick with yarn from the WGM TT DVD. I love this effect! It's so simple, clean but impossible!
Anniversary Waltz if appropriate
Chop Cup if necessary

As it's a medics ball I suspect the latter half of the evening will just be ACR/CtIL/transpos, with a few spongeballs thrown in for good measure! But I think I've got enough to be getting on with :)

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