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Postby Sophie » Feb 21st, '08, 13:13



Psychics/Mediums to magicians??

The whole thing gets me really confussed in what I believe in and why. How do these Psychic people know personal things about us without us telling them anything about us.
I look at you tubes of Psychics and it all seems...sometimes too scary to think about. My mother told me Paul Daniels said Doris Stokes was like a magician...she was a fake psychic. Im still trying to look it up thou'. I want to believe its true in a way.
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Postby Tomo » Feb 21st, '08, 13:24

Doris Stokes was indeed a fake medium.

I'm anti-psychic. I predict a long and happy life for this thread, ending in enlightenment and agreement. Let's see if it comes true :wink:

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Postby Lady of Mystery » Feb 21st, '08, 13:27

I feel that your vision may be somewhat clouded me dear Tomo.

Are there real psychics out there, who knows for sure?

But there certainly are many people who are not and use a whole range of different methods to get the information out of you without you ever realising that you're giving it.

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Postby Sophie » Feb 21st, '08, 13:28

Is it on the internet somewhere that she was a fake...or is that just what people now think. If you see what I mean.

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Postby Sophie » Feb 21st, '08, 13:36

Lady of Mystery wrote:I feel that your vision may be somewhat clouded me dear Tomo.

Are there real psychics out there, who knows for sure?

But there certainly are many people who are not and use a whole range of different methods to get the information out of you without you ever realising that you're giving it.


I guess wed all like to believe. x

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Postby Tomo » Feb 21st, '08, 14:10

Lady of Mystery wrote:I feel that your vision may be somewhat clouded me dear Tomo.

Are there real psychics out there, who knows for sure?


Absolutely. No one engaged in a recognised scientific discipline would ever say categorically there either is or isn't. All you can say is that there's evidence for or against something, or a lack of evidence for or against it. If there's overwhelming evidence for it, the balance of probability slews towards it. The only problem is that people tend to confuse anecdotes and beliefs with hard evidence.

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Postby IAIN » Feb 21st, '08, 14:13

men are constantly trying to be mind-readers, just to keep up with what women are thinking...

most people's acceptance of the word psychic is a catch-all, hollywood kinda defined thing...

someone who is all knowing, all seeing and can talk to the dead...

a medium can alledgedly talk to the dead, but a psychic can't...

just because most people who claim to be psychic or mediums, or even extra-large mediums, are frauds - doesnt automatically mean that all psychics and mediums...

i am a mentalist, i do not like cucumber, therefore, all mentalists do not like cucumber...rubbish argument...

i would of thought, if a real psychic or medium exists, they would keep very quiet about it, and maybe make themselves enough money to keep a low profile, but live a comfortable life...

that's my view anyway...

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Postby greedoniz » Feb 21st, '08, 15:32

abraxus wrote:
i would of thought, if a real psychic or medium exists, they would keep very quiet about it, and maybe make themselves enough money to keep a low profile, but live a comfortable life...




Or they could make themselves known and have their power tested under independent and unbiased scrutiny. If proven to have this power imagine new possibilites and new branches of science it could open up.

They would only have to prove a slight statistical rise above that of guesswork in order for further study to be a neccessity and the benefits to our understanding of the universe and for human cultures would be immeasurable.

However I would be very surprised if anyone took up this offer as no one with this sort of power is obviously interested in recognition of this sort.

Issac Newton should have done the same...just sat at home with his calculations not wishing to make a fuss. Showing indivduals the effects of his theories (but without giving any real evidence) for £40 a pop each.

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Postby IAIN » Feb 21st, '08, 15:37

if i was - i certainly wouldnt offer myself up for scientific testing, im sure they're not all trustworthy charming people - I'm pretty sure you'd be spirited away somewhere for nefarious, and potentially painful experiments sooner or later...

remember how when the victorians suddenly got good at certain surgeries and tree-panning...they only discovered things by working on live "volunteers"...

i'd off in scotland somewhere, a remote little tower somewhere, winning a quiet fortune off the online poker games and enjoying myself...

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Postby Sophie » Feb 22nd, '08, 14:30

I dont know what the hell I believe in any more. One woman said something very personal about me without even looking at me which freaked me out somewhat. Something no one else knows about. Im all :? .

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Postby Tomo » Feb 22nd, '08, 14:53

abraxus wrote:i'd off in scotland somewhere, a remote little tower somewhere, winning a quiet fortune off the online poker games and enjoying myself...

It'd be the stock market for me. I'd buy the highland croft Orwell wrote "Nineteen Eighty-Four" in and quietly make a very tidy profit indeed.

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Postby greedoniz » Feb 22nd, '08, 15:12

I would say to anyone pondering any kind of supernatural phenomena is that what you want or wish to believe is irrelevent.
One should enquire and seek evidence and this does not include a personal experience of such phenomena as all magicians and mentalists can testify that to fool someone using a means which is hidden from the spectator is a main element to these respective crafts.
This does not just apply to people out to fool you purposely but also by people who are genuine believers and even your own brain.

I think a perfect example is from when I was a child and whilst on holiday in a very old house and I was in bed staring at the wooden beam in the ceiling. Within the beam I could see a face that seemed to be silently talking which obviously lead to me constructing ideas of a ghost in the wood work.
It was only when I plucked up the courage to get up and stand on the bed for a closer look did I realise it was mearly the grain of the wood which my brain has misinterperated.
Now I nor nobody else can t say whether the reading you was giving was from a geniune psychic or not as there is no recording of what exactly was said and in what setting but we can say that as things stand evidence-wise there is no scientific evidence currently to support the existance of supernatural claims.
And as a species whose greatest asset is that of rational thought and the ability to use logic we should not ever be in a hurry to believe something just because it is comforting or nice but rather use our natural ability enquire and explore.

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Postby Adrian Morgan » Feb 22nd, '08, 16:20

Sophie wrote:I dont know what the hell I believe in any more. One woman said something very personal about me without even looking at me which freaked me out somewhat. Something no one else knows about. Im all :? .


You may find it illuminating - or at least thought-provoking - to download and listen to the following interviews with Lynne Kelly (the inventor of Tauromancy). Ignore everything in the podcasts prior to the interview itself.

* Interview #1 (interview starts at 5 minutes 30 seconds)
* Interview #2 (interview starts at 4 minutes 30 seconds; the most relevant bit starts at 13 minutes 50 seconds)

I have a lot of respect for Lynne, for reasons that I think come across well in the links I have provided. I like her attitude (and I hope that even Craig would find something in there to like :wink: ).

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Postby Sophie » Feb 22nd, '08, 17:12

Hello...Thanks for the links, its really appreciated. Sophie. x

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Postby Raymond du Plessis » Mar 17th, '08, 17:24

Their all fakes...except those of 'em how use demons to help them.

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