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Flood wrote:
WTF...Its a card trick,no need to over analys it.Does it matter if he meant breathe magic or breath magic.Do you really care

Wow there Flood, calm down. It was a light hearted joke that drew attention to a spelling mistake. And as for the over analyzing aspect, this video has been put up here on a magic forum for a critique. How is talking about patter "over-analyzing" anyway? If we don't analyze magic, how are we going to get better?

Didn't you just basically say i have no passion for magic?

I though the trick was pretty dang cool.

I have a great idea. How about we all forget about whether we've "over analyzed" the video or whether he meant breath magic or whatever. Let's just give a critique of the gentleman's video, otherwise we could see this post locked if it goes too off-topic.

I think he was showing the trick for people to rate the technical abilitiy involved as apposed to his ''performance'' or patter.I mean,he has no one to interact with except a camera so there really is no need to perform or talk that much at all.

Your pre-made patter and presentation will always change in the real life scenario with interacting with real people etc etc...

Just give the lad credit where its due,the trick was flawless

Nice effect, however....

You need to practice your DL's because it looked painfully obvious that you weren't just turning over one card.

Secondly i really think the swing cut was a bit of a cop-out, you should have used a pass (there are quite a few variations on the pass, which you should most defiantly study, unless you already have.)

Also your break was quite high and noticeable before you put the 'ace sandwich' on it.

Overall the foundation of the trick is quite good.

O and don't let what i have said discourage you, its just some advice which should hopefully allow you to polish off this effect.

I thought his DL was better than most of the stuff on the internet nowadays. But, for DL, I think getting a break before is so much better. I used to do the strike but then I learnt the pinky count and it seriously helps much much more with not only DL, but loads of other things aswell.

I too enjoy this trick from time to time. For all the wondering posters about where they've seen this trick before, search no further than the wonderful Mark Wilson's book. Has some old school great gems in there. I tend to adjust my patter depending on the situation/people around, whatever suits the mood a little better than the standard.

The DL could be a little better, but I'm guessing its something that comes with practice (I know mine is nowhere near a standard I would like it to be). The cutting of the deck is a tad obvious, so perhaps mix it up with a nice swivel cut then a few false shuffles/cuts. It's something I do to help with the time misdirection of where the card might actually be.

Wild Card wrote:

WTF...Its a card trick,no need to over analys it...Do you really care

Flood, slow down there! No need for aggression. It's a card trick, it's magic, of course it matters. If you believe performing a trick with bad patter or without passion, you clearly know nothing about magic.

Second that.

magicmystro wrote:Didn't you just basically say i have no passion for magic?

Well, I said that you don't show it, which is not the same thing ... but it does raise the question of why not.

If you're passionate about magic - in other words if presenting magic and all the work that goes into it is a labour of love for you (including work on your patter) - then why wouldn't you use your best patter for a Youtube video? Why would you talk about good patter as though it were a sort of optional extra reserved for live audiences? That just doesn't make a lot of sense to me; it's not how I would expect someone with a passion for magic to behave.

magicmystro wrote:Didn't you just basically say i have no passion for magic?

I have no passion for magic. There I said it.

Citrus wrote:Nice effect, however....

You need to practice your DL's because it looked painfully obvious that you weren't just turning over one card.

O and don't let what i have said discourage you, its just some advice which should hopefully allow you to polish off this effect.

I too noticed the DL very quickly but then you are far better at it then many magi I know and I don't think a lay person would pick up on it at all. As magicians we tend to look at things through our experienced eyes (except for those who pluck eyeballs out of other peoples heads and look through those eyes). And then tainted magicians such as myself get super critical and have to take a step back.

As the Worlds Greatest Magician said "and heed his words as there are really only two Worlds Greatest Magician's" It only matters what the audience thinks.

And in case you were wondering the second Worlds Greatest Magician is George Schindler past president of SAM and owner of Show Biz Services. He always introduces himself as The Worlds Greatest Magician. I've a suspicion that Mark will call George an imposter. And who am I to argue?

Adrian Morgan wrote:If you're passionate about magic - in other words if presenting magic and all the work that goes into it is a labour of love for you (including work on your patter) - then why wouldn't you use your best patter for a Youtube video? Why would you talk about good patter as though it were a sort of optional extra reserved for live audiences? That just doesn't make a lot of sense to me; it's not how I would expect someone with a passion for magic to behave.

I'm afraid I have to second that. However, like I said in a previous post, I do fear that if this goes too off topic, ie. debating why he hasn't put in patter or whatever, the mods might just lock it down, and I don't think this video should end up in the sinbin. It's a well performed effect, and apart from the lack of patter there isn't much wrong with it.

Good point. Vids posted in here are for examination and constructive criticism from various different viewpoints. Are we now all agreed that the performance was excellent and when performed in public would be even more enhanced with suitable patter?

Hmm, patter patter patter. You know what, the longer I'm in magic the more I appreciate Blaine and what he did for us. Patter doesn't have to be ornate lyrical wrangling and theatrical gestures, as long as the audience appreciates what's just happened you're ok in fact you could make some very successful television shows with some very simple material...

Patter evolves around a trick through perfomance and it's very rare to end up with the same script after you've done it 100 times. I've got a gig later and I know for a fact that the three tricks that will get the most applause will be CMH, ACR and sponge balls, all of which are pretty straightforward, require little in the way of explanation yet hit very hard indeed because they all contain clear moments of inexplicable magic. Fair enough my presentation has developed over the number of times that I've done them and there's all sorts of little idiosyncrasies in there that add to the effect but all in all they're standard pieces to any magician.

Here's a story about Mr Markdini who has said above that he has no passion for magic. This is true, he has very little passion for anything other than moaning and 'specialist' websites but I digress, once upon a time we were in a pub in central London on one of the monthly meets and he did Spelmann's The Afflicted (I think) on the barkeep. Now, if he had posted a video like Kyle's of himself performing this I expect there would have been the same reaction as he has quite a casual means of presentation. The next time we were in the same pub one of us went to the bar and the barman said "That guy there (pointing to our Marky) f**ked my head up last time you were here, he did this thing with voodoo it was freaky."

Hopefully the above tale makes some sense of the point I'm trying to make.