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Right I have been working on my pass again cos it s***s.
At the moment I use a cover that Roy walton taught me so it looks just like you turn the deck over in your hands, but I want to have many methods for the same thing so I dont get caught out.....the alkhemist is a cautious cat!

Anyhoo, heres my problem when Im flippin the bottom to top it gets stuck on the bottom of my middle finger. This means it looks quite sloppy and noticaeble.

I guess ts just a matter of another many moons practise but any hints would be great!

ta!

By the way for anyone interested this problem resolved itself the other night when I realised I had a fundamental misunderstanding of how to execute the pass!
oh well

is it just me or is the turnover pass considerably easier than the classic?

GaryGrace wrote:is it just me or is the turnover pass considerably easier than the classic?

I suppose so, but the turnover pass also requires you to turn over the deck, which without a proper reason, looks a bit fishy to me. They both work for different situations

I've just started working on my pass today, reading from Tarbell. I think I've actually made some good progress, seeing as I forgot to listen to most of my teachers and ended up just practicing. All day. Every second. In fact, I'm practicing right now.

Haha me too mate, maybe more sleep less practice and our hands would shake less and it would be easier.

I get what was said about a reason to turn over the card that's why I'm persevering with the Classis. Just can't seem to make that smooth transition from a piny break to a getting a good grip on that top packet

Im practicing the classic atm and i dont really use a very tight grip on the top packet, I guess you would say it was a secure grip, but not pushing down to hard cos then the cards fall everywhere.
Queen, the turnover pass is good when used as part of the patter e.g.
"*executes turnover pass* Could you please brerath on this pack, would you look at that you card fell to the bottom" etc.

I have to agree with Queen of clubs on this one. I thought the whole point of the pass was the illusion of not moving the deck.

The illusion of the DL is that you just came along and simply lifted off the top card, not played with the back of the deck a few seconds before and then came over and lifted of the top card, not lifted the top card off somehow sliding the next card over a bit, putting it back down and then lifting it up again before you turn it over.
These techniques are used in order to help achieve the end result, in order to hide them from the spectators view they are masked behind presentation and misdirection. We do what we can to entertain.
When done propoerly all the spec remembers is that you turned over the top card, the same applies to the turnover pass, the most your spectator should remember is that you turned over the pack, nothing untoward there. If done correctly the spec shouldn't really notice you turning it over.
That being said, you don't really need to fully rotate the deck in order to complete the pass, once you are half way, a quick waver of the hand, or pulling up the sleeves, or pointing to your head, or checking your watch will see your pass completed without the spec realising what has happened.

I agree in principle but the I was trying to make a small point that absolutely no movement may prove stronger. Yes you have only turned over the deck or you may give it a shuffle and cut (which is far simpiler). But I thought the reasoning of the classic was the deck hasn't been moved in any shape or form. That can't be explanied but turning a deck over gives specs something to think about.

alkemist that patter even sounds like roy walton lol (in a good way mate)

To be honest the classic pass was never intended to be performed under scrutiny. There have been countless people out there who feel that it isn't a proper pass unless it can be done whilst the hands are burned, but why run if you aren't being chased. That's like trying to devise a sub trunk you can view from the back.