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well, been training on "the pass" a lot lately, but im still having some troubles

Well, to get to the point, i would really appreciate some tips on a smother transition and also what other passes i should prioritise learning (love them )

I'm afraid that- as long as you're following the instructions on the book/dvd, then the only way to be smoother is lots of practice. Go for smoothness first, speed second. As for what passes to learn, I find that the classic pass with one or two covers and some misdirection fits most purposes.

PS. I think there are some existing threads on the pass somewhere. Try the search function and see what it brings up.

Yeah, I'm fairly sure the pass has been discussed in plenty of depth here!

I'm afraid our Welsh friend is right - providing you're not actually doing anything wrong, there is no "knack" to the pass, no top tip anyone can pass on that will make it way easier, it's simply practice.

If you want a pass that is deceptive and convincing, check out the Dribble Pass. I also favour the Spread Pass and the Cut Pass, but better a master of one than a jack of all!

Farlsborough wrote:providing you're not actually doing anything wrong, there is no "knack" to the pass, no top tip anyone can pass on that will make it way easier, it's simply practice.

I slightly disagree. I think there definitely is a knack to the pass, but you can't borrow someone else's knack, you have to develop your own.

I'm not sure if this'd be considered exposure but there's one pass I learned where I pretty much use the right hand to conceal a One-Handed Charlier Cut. That wasn't in the description exactly, but it helped me, and I think I'm doing pretty well now.

HenryHoudini wrote:a One-Handed Charlier Cut.

Is there such a thing as a two-handed Charlier cut?? LOL!

Ouch. Good point. I wasn't sure if I had to clarify or anything.

queen of clubs wrote:

Farlsborough wrote:providing you're not actually doing anything wrong, there is no "knack" to the pass, no top tip anyone can pass on that will make it way easier, it's simply practice.

I slightly disagree. I think there definitely is a knack to the pass, but you can't borrow someone else's knack, you have to develop your own.

Heh heh, well, semantics - I think I agree with you Queen of Clubs, just described differently... what's a "knack"?! What I mean is, no one can describe something to you that will suddenly make it easy for you; it's a fine motor skill and like all the others, it will feel awkward at first and then suddenly improve... I suppose you could call that getting "the knack", or you could see it as a break-through in practice, whatever! Unlike another move where telling you how much pressure to use, or where to put your fingers etc. will suddenly make you go "aaaah!".

The take home message is, asking for tips sadly won't do much because it won't happen without practice

queen of clubs wrote:

Farlsborough wrote:providing you're not actually doing anything wrong, there is no "knack" to the pass, no top tip anyone can pass on that will make it way easier, it's simply practice.

I slightly disagree. I think there definitely is a knack to the pass, but you can't borrow someone else's knack, you have to develop your own.

I think that's a great point. But sometimes, just that one piece of advice that you missed the first go-round or that wasn't included in the source you originally learned it from will help that light bulb go off and things can start to click. I know that's happened with me with other sleights.

Yes, but the pass is not other sleights.

THE PASS IS THE DEVIL'S SLEIGHT!!

HenryHoudini wrote:Yes, but the pass is not other sleights.

THE PASS IS THE DEVIL'S SLEIGHT!!

Try Raise Rise...

The backstage pass is rather nice. And no, that isn't a joke.

Im not one for practicing in front of a mirror, but this is the one move I would highly recommend practicng in a mirror standing at different angles.

The pass does not need speed, it can be done slowly, as long as your angles are covered, and you have sufficient cover and misdirection, its just about performing the move smoothly.

I find the classic pass and riffle pass the most effective.

What I did to practice was work on the basic move first, speed second, cover third.

Big D

Lots of people advise lots of practice. The only problem (in my opinion) with this advice is (as Michael Ammar notes) "practice doesn't make perfect - it makes permanent". I can do the basic mechanics of the pass but I struggle with how to cover the move, this doesn't seem to get so much attention in many descriptions as far as I can tell. Maybe I'm going off topic - just showing some solidarity with a fellow struggler with the pass