talkmagic.co.uk

I lay in bed this morning being the lazy guy that I often am watching the Jeremy Kyle Show (I know, I know, but there wasn't anything else on at the time). 1 woman came onto the show to make her boyfriend do a lie detector test because a tarot reading had told her that he had been cheating on her.

I was intrigued (sp?) and it turned out that he HAD been cheating on her. Now I don't personally believe in tarot readings and I'm sure a lot of people here share that same view and for awhile I was thinking 'lucky guess?' But she did go on to say that she'd has texts from somebody saying that they had slept with her boyfriend and someone had also told her face to face so the obvious explanation to me is that the tarot reader used cold reading.

Now I usually dislike mediums/psychics/whatevers that claim to be the real thing but aren't and exploit the vunerable. But in this case the tarot reader helped the woman get rid of her cheating boyfriend, therefore, is it always bad that they exploit people like this? Discuss. Your answer should be between 10 - 1000 words long and is to be handed into me before next tuesday. Class dismissed.

When it comes to mediums and Tarot readers the advice they give isn't what is actually in question but the claims to the method of gaining that advice.
The fact that the advice given in this instance was correct does not change the fact that the reader would have been making supernatural claims that to date are completely unproven by any independant study that I've ever heard of.

If someone nicks your car but then it blows up halfway down the street doesn't mean that nicking cars is ok. It just means the thief is bloody unlucky

I am completely with you on the fact that it's wrong they claim to have supernatural abilities. I just mean that, if someone genuinely believes in it all and gets good advice or comfort from it, is it wrong?

I'm an atheist but I think religion is a good thing in that it can support people. Is that just not the same thing as mediums or psychics? I'm probably getting into dangerous territory now, I'm not questioning anyones beliefs or saying they are wrong, I'm doing the opposite and saying should we brand all these things as wrong when clearly some good comes from them, like what happened on tv this morning?

MickyScouse wrote:I'm an atheist but I think religion is a good thing in that it can support people. Is that just not the same thing as mediums or psychics?

Go into church on Sunday morning and see how much they charge you.
Compare that to how much a psychic charges you.

If a person fraudulently claims to be psychic and takes your money under those pretexts, that is a con.

Ah of course, I'd completely forgotten about the money element!

You know, there's an old saying that goes "Don't air your dirty laundry in public". And Jeremy Kyle is encouraging people to do just that.

It's preying off sensationalism ("Hey I can be on TV!") and people's stupidity.
I'd love to say that it's ignorance, but it really isn't.

If someone texted me and told me to my face that my girlfriend was cheating on me, I would tackle her about it.
I would then have to decide whether or not she was telling the truth.

I would NOT under any circumstances phone up a TV show and say "I think my girlfriend is cheating on me. Can you put me on TV?"

as someone who can and does charge for readings i tell people that the runes i read are a tool just like the counsilers notepad or the psychiratrist sofa.
i don't claim to have mystical powers from the spirit world but i do claim to hear voices and let the enquirer be there own judge.

as for mr carl i'd like to see him walk the 100 miles a day he'd do for his kids, his show and all the other similar programing is only on to fill the time of people who won't or can't work and for ratings, yes they do help people with some of the money they get for ratings but that dosn't realy justify the programe in the first place.

magicdiscoman wrote:as someone who can and does charge for readings i tell people that the runes i read are a tool just like the counsilers notepad or the psychiratrist sofa.

And in doing so equate what you are doing with legitimate medical practices and grant your readings a similar level of authority and benefit? Beyond that it seems erroneous to equate the runes with the notepad/sofa as in psychiatry it is not the notepad or the sofa which provide the answer, or even help the psychiatrist to come to a diagnosis...

I'm doing the opposite and saying should we brand all these things as wrong when clearly some good comes from them, like what happened on tv this morning?

I think the problem is that at the moment there is no evidence to suggest that any good that comes is anything but incidental...

And in doing so equate what you are doing with legitimate medical practices and grant your readings a similar level of authority and benefit?

dam straight no diferent than an aromatherapist or magneto therapist.

Beyond that it seems erroneous to equate the runes with the notepad/sofa as in psychiatry it is not the notepad or the sofa which provide the answer, or even help the psychiatrist to come to a diagnosis...

thoughs are the trappings of the counciler and psychiatrist mine are runes and calming inscence they enhance my performance.
for it is i that does the counciling, its me that has had 5 yrs training and 5+ years on the job experience, I'm the counciler the runes are just my tool.

if i set up a room with an easy chair and coffee on tap and sat there with my notepad and pen i'd still be doing the same job, helping people with there problems, using my training and experience and still making the same claims only to some people i would apear more legitimate.

magicdiscoman wrote:

And in doing so equate what you are doing with legitimate medical practices and grant your readings a similar level of authority and benefit?

dam straight no diferent than an aromatherapist or magneto therapist.

Beyond that it seems erroneous to equate the runes with the notepad/sofa as in psychiatry it is not the notepad or the sofa which provide the answer, or even help the psychiatrist to come to a diagnosis...

thoughs are the trappings of the counciler and psychiatrist mine are runes and calming inscence they enhance my performance.
for it is i that does the counciling, its me that has had 5 yrs training and 5+ years on the job experience, I'm the counciler the runes are just my tool.

if i set up a room with an easy chair and coffee on tap and sat there with my notepad and pen i'd still be doing the same job, helping people with there problems, using my training and experience and still making the same claims only to some people i would apear more legitimate.

Clarification is a humbling thing

Fair enough!

no problem there were all fair questions.
about the voices, we all have that internal monolouge, that voice in your head that tells you that you shouldn't have said what you said and you better start groveling fast.

mine has been developed in my formative years doing spirit reading in church, back when i didn't know any better, to the extent that it apears to take a life of its own and gives me imfomation just the same way a trained martial artist knows by the subtle shift in his oponents weight that he's just about to be kicked in the head.

greedoniz wrote: If someone nicks your car but then it blows up halfway down the street doesn't mean that nicking cars is ok. It just means the thief is bloody unlucky

Iv just had my car nicked this morning by somebody I knew. If this could happen i would wet myself laughing

Now then - coincidence or what?

Did anyone else spot this on today's BBC web site?

A change in the law could mean mediums, psychics and healers face prosecution if they cannot justify their claims. Spiritualists are delivering a mass petition to Downing Street and complaining that a genuine religion is being discriminated against.

See more here!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7354089.stm