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A basic coin routine, more done to prove to myself that I had a decent number of sleights at my disposal.

I promise this is not a rick roll!

Comments/jibes/pi$$-taking welcome as ever.

Gah! You rick rolled me you git!



Only joking - That was very nice dude.
Not sure if it's down to lack of practice... but the coin roll was very slow...
If it was deliberate then no worries - but to me it didnt seem like like the coin roll was very... err... rolling.

I liked the jumbo coin at the end - and the fact that you bit it

My coin work is terrible, so I'm probably not the best in the world to ask, but my coin roll is alright so I felt allowed to comment on that

That was very nice indeed. The only thing I can do with coins is spend them, so it's nice to see something like that and just enjoy it instead of being able to critique it.

Handsome looking chap, too, ain't ya?

I liked it!
Liking the collection of spirits that are on yer wardrobe!

I like it, very smooth - I'd actually say I prefer the slow coin roll, it works better with the music and the whole pace of the routine

I'm not so sure about the part when you pull the coin out of the camera - it seems too obvious that you're using a c****** **** because of where the coin is when you show it (I tried to make this as vague as possible as to not give away how it was done, if you think I have I'll edit it)

Thanks for the comments guys - especially because they're all so complimentary!

Kolm, your comment doesn't give too much away, don't worry - I expect most people on this forum have an idea of basic coin sleights anyway, and if they don't, "c****** ****" isn't going to take them very far!

Watching it a few times, I know just what you mean - however, the error on my part was actually getting ahead of myself, because when I pluck the coin "from the camera" it's actually from FP! If you watch closely you can just see my middle finger shoving it into CP ready for the jumbo production. This is one of the more awkward parts of the routine because you have to get the coin into CP whilst it's in full view - I don't do this amazingly in this video which is why you see me pushing the coin back to fingertips for a rather unecessary display before having another crack at it.

There is actually another flash of something early on, but I just about get away with it... it's this aspect (ongoing for the first 30 seconds) that I wanted to practice in particular, it ain't easy...

Edit: I'm still trying to find a suitable magic video to be accompanied by The Kids of Widney High. Watch this space

The routine is ok, I guess. I can't really see some of the movements because they were obviously to quick for your camera. Also, the set is sometimes to dark to see the coin shown in your hand. Most of the sleights need to be polished up a bit. Don't move your arm or your body while performing the coin roll, only the coin should move, and your fingers of course. You looked very nervous performing that sleight. Especially the second time.
Most of the false takes/transfers were performed nicely. The awful part of this routine was you taking the coin from the camera while putting it in the classic palm. Either take it out on the tops of your fingers, or don't perform this sequence. I know that the classic palm isn't an important part of this particular routine but it's one of the most useful things in coin magic so try to learn it properly. Don't put the coin in c palm like that. It's a complete give away. I like the jumbo coin finish.

Hi Scriptorilsky, thanks for your feedback. I agree, that last sequence wasn't great, and indeed, my coin roll does need work. The difficulty with the last sequence is, as mentioned, you need to put the coin into a CP grip whilst it is in full view - usually you are doing this covered by a larger movement, or when the hand is totally out of spectator focus. It is necessary actually for the last part of the routine to avoid the coin and the jumbo talking, and to be able to immediately handle the jumbo as naturally as possible.

Ideally it would be done very subtly as you turn the hand over from showing the coin at finger tips to displaying it on the palm - I openly admit I messed this up a bit and that's why it appears laboured!

Just a couple of questions/comments regarding your reply: you say most of my sleights need polishing, but then say they are performed nicely - which is it? Without wanting to blow my own trumpet, I think most of the sleights were performed pretty well and naturally (excluding the coin roll which is less important being as it is a flourish, not a sleight) - but the retention vanish, the shuttle pass, the french drop - I personally think those were pretty good, but I'm happy to hear otherwise!

Also, I will admit to feeling very slightly (or should that be "sleightly"... ) crushed at your suggestion to "try and learn it (the C. palm) properly" as this is usually quite a strong point of mine - I know the last sequence is sloppy but does the fact that I am naturally C. palming a coin for the first 30 seconds of the routine not count for anything?! Being able to toss a coin, catch a coin and do a retention vanish with a coin C.P.ed I feel suggests I have at least done some work in the area...!

Farlsborough wrote:The difficulty with the last sequence is, as mentioned, you need to put the coin into a CP grip whilst it is in full view

No you don't. You just need to put it in the cp position, and you can clip it while producing the jumbo coin. Holding it in cp grip openly looks very bad in my opinion.

Farlsborough wrote:Just a couple of questions/comments regarding your reply: you say most of my sleights need polishing, but then say they are performed nicely - which is it?

As I said, all of the transfers look good. These are all choreographed moves, therefore, they look nice if performed at good speed and angle. In fact, that's probably the most important thing in coin magic and coin routines, so you can be very happy with your presentation. On the other hand, even the nicely performed things can be polished. I'm just kidding. Make that "some of your sleights", and by sleight I mean "move" (flourishes included:).

Farlsborough wrote:Also, I will admit to feeling very slightly (or should that be "sleightly"... ) crushed at your suggestion to "try and learn it (the C. palm) properly" as this is usually quite a strong point of mine - I know the last sequence is sloppy but does the fact that I am naturally C. palming a coin for the first 30 seconds of the routine not count for anything?! Being able to toss a coin, catch a coin and do a retention vanish with a coin C.P.ed I feel suggests I have at least done some work in the area...!

Oh, I didn't mean your holding the coin in cp was bad. My comment refers to you putting the coin there. Try to put your hand palm down, and then pick the coin up and put it in cp with your thumb touching the first finger. That's the best and most natural way to put the coin in cp.

Cool, thanks for the clarifications! I'll take those on board.

Not Being a Coin Man at all!

I thoroughly enjoyed it, you kept me watching and usually get bored in 20 seconds of 90% of Magick on Youtube.
I am sure the Coin Experts can you give you good advice.

I also loved the Choice of Music!

Regards

Lyndon

nice moves well presented, no picking of holes as its not needed an audience won't notice anything and at the end of the day thats all that matters and repetion of the routine will set the slieghts in place as the all important presentation is already there.

just one thing i do at the end by way of a clean up after the jumbo production is to snap off a coin from the jumbo coin and display them both which realy emphasises the size of the jumbo coin and also leaves your erhen clean. , biting the coin is a great idea by the way.

magicdiscoman wrote:nice moves well presented, no picking of holes as its not needed an audience won't notice anything and at the end of the day thats all that matter.

Im in the middle of reading Ken Weber's Maximum Entertainment and basing my opinion on what he says, I disagree. You can always may your performance stronger. Constructive criticism is always a good thing.

I am by no means on your level with coins, but I would say that you might want to work on your stance. You seem to rock from foot to foot throughout the whole presentation. This is from perspective as a spectator.
Allen Tipton gave me this advice: Raise yourself up so that you are standing on the balls of your feet, then lower yourself so that you are just barely resting any weight on your heels. Try to keep the tension you feel in the backs of your calfs. This will keep you centered and less likely to rock.

Hi AB - I agree, you can always improve.

It's funny putting up videos - you think one thing, then you put it up, get some constructive criticism and each time I get a piece of specific criticism I go back and re-watch it, and sure enough, there it is... it's like buying a car and suddenly feeling like the roads are full of the same model!

Looking at the video you are right my man, I do rock (ho ho) - particularly in the first section, and will aim to reduce that as I can see how it can be distracting.

Cheers (to all of you) for taking the time to watch this video. There are plenty of other interesting threads and whether you're highly complimentary or highly critical, you have at least not been apathetic, and for that I'm grateful either way

Meh. Can't be bothered to comment.

ONLY JOKING! Not much to add other than what's been said above but if you're interested I have a slightly more visual handling for the jumbo production that I humbly think is quite nice. Pm me if you like.