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Hi everyone..

(Sorry to be a pain with these simple questions.. but..)

I'm trying to learn the key card slide under a deck spread but I just can't get it. Everytime I slide with my finger tips the whole deck in that hand (my left) moves or bunches up making it all look really pants or just stopping the slide.

Do any of you have any tips for sliding the card and keeping the remainder of the deck (above it) still without bunching those above in my left hand (I'm going from left to right here)

Thanks again

Slippery

Hiya,

Do you have a reference for the move? Sorry but I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about.

Fish

Am I right in thinking you are describing when fanning the cards with two hands and sliding the bottom card (key card) under the fanned cards so that when the spectator returns the card 'any where they like' to the deck you can slide the key card underneath the chosen card?

I think this move is refrenced in the RRTCM.. or this my bad memory?

Isnt the proper name for that that a cull?
( this is why terminology is good sometimes )

I think you ARE referring to a spread cull/force. In which case, the bottom card of the pack is the one you're having trouble with.

The standard practice would be to spread off the top 5 or 10 cards from left hand to right. At this point, the right fingers gently slide (do not PULL or force the card) the bottom card to the middle of the spread card under the guise of moving more cards from the right hand.

I would say that if you're having problems, it's because you're being a bit too forceful.

Practice some 'gentle' regular spreads first. Use short 'scissor' actions to move small amounts of cards from hand to hand.

Then, I'd suggest practicing doing this WITHOUT using the fingers... try and use them just for support, and let the thumbs do all the work.

With that sorted, your fingers will be free to manipulate the cards beneath the deck.

Also, work on keeping the 'key card' central beneath the pack.

RRTCM covers it, as does Expert at the Card Table (I think). Plus, most of Jay Sankey's videos will cover the move to some degree, as it's a favourite of his.

Yep..

You are all right.. I am trying to move the bottom card from the pack in my left hand.. to my right whilst spreading the cards and then forcing this when the spectator touches a card.

(Sorry if the name I gave it confused you.. but it is what I assumed it was called after reading the description and instructions.. blimin newbies hey !)

Anyway.. what happens is that when I start to slide the card from the left to right under the spread the cards start to bunch up in the spread in my left hand by moving right as I slide the card.

Seige.. You are also right in that I was being a bit too forceful.. I have eased off slightly and it's better but still nly works about 10% of the time. I will try doing what you said and let you know how I get on.

Thanks everyone.. maybe someday I can return the favour.

Slippery

They way I do it is to have my left finger tips right on the edge of the bottom card as I start to move cards to the right hand. As the first card goe I straighten my left fingers a bit and squeeze so that the edge of the botton card curls around the deck. From there I can allow my right fingers to move so that the bottom card reaches almost to their base as I take the next few cards from the tops with my right thumb. It will take a bit of playing to get the transfer from the left fingers to the right to look smooth but whe you do you will find that you have the bottom card held almost in a finger palm beneath the deck so that as well as just splitting the deck and showing the card you can actually insert it into the spread at any position you like.

SlipperyPenguin wrote:Yep..

You are all right.. I am trying to move the bottom card from the pack in my left hand.. to my right whilst spreading the cards and then forcing this when the spectator touches a card.

(Sorry if the name I gave it confused you.. but it is what I assumed it was called after reading the description and instructions.. blimin newbies hey !)

Anyway.. what happens is that when I start to slide the card from the left to right under the spread the cards start to bunch up in the spread in my left hand by moving right as I slide the card.

Seige.. You are also right in that I was being a bit too forceful.. I have eased off slightly and it's better but still nly works about 10% of the time. I will try doing what you said and let you know how I get on.

Thanks everyone.. maybe someday I can return the favour.

Slippery

Paul does it rather well, so if and when we get a meeting going , ask him to explain it.

One of the best ways to "loosen" the bottom card from the rest of the deck to be able to slide it out is to give it a slight buckle. The action of pulling the card towards the palm and then releasing gives the card a little bit of momentum which can be used to ease the card away.

If you are refering to the one on the Daryl DVD's then i think it is called the "Hofsinzer spread control"

I think that it is a universal move to use, as it can be used in many ways.
For example, in the ambitious card. A spectator can name any card they want, show it in the centre of the deck whilst spreading through, to show every card different. Then, in a flash with out any time to execute a move (even know there is the expression that a move is done before you even know its going to happen) and it is now at the top of the deck.

Amazing.

No the HSC is different....the card is culled from the middle of the pack in the HSC and moved to the bottom. I think Slippery needed to do the opposite...move the bottom card to somewhere in the middle which would be the slididng key card for RRTCM.

The problem I'm having with this (whatever it's called.. and they all appear to be a similar technique just executed differently) is that when I try and slide the bottom card al the cards on top of it move in that direction as well.

I've given some of your tips a go and for now I quite like using my left hand to "catch" the card and pull it as I spread. I will keep trying to get this nail "properly" but I'm still struggling (although your tips have really helped some). All I really wanted was to see how you experienced guys do this or if you could offer me any tips.

Basically I'm trying to do both the Key Card slide and the spread in the Ambitious card. (I have two tricks the AB and another that requires a slightly different handling).

Guess now it's just down to practice.

Thanks everyone..

Slippery

it sounds like you need some new playing cards mate.

I would of thought it unlikely the cards above the bottom would move to that extent, unless maybe you are puting too much preasure on the card, or dont have the rest of the pack in a firm enough grip after the initial stage of spreading the cards across.
Just out of curiosity, how long have you been trying to master the move?

Hmmm

As I said before, the easiest way to do this is perform a spread of a few (10 ish) cards from left to right hand, and leave the last two fingers (pinky and ring) free.

Support the deck/spread with the thumb/index finger crotches, and the outstretched index fingers.

It's then possible to manipulate the cards quite freely below the spread, with little or no pressure—by just pulling off the bottom card and resting it on the fingers.

In fact, if you get the angles right, you can reverse a card in the deck this way.

So, to recap... try and hold the spread ONLY using the thumbs and index/middle fingers.

Leave the pinkies and ring fingers free.

I've just tried it now, and it works. Practice that a while, and you'll find a technique which fits into your own constraints I'm sure.