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What is the modern equivalent?

Postby brody » May 14th, '08, 03:31



Diachylon. In many cases, roughing fluid appears to be similiar, and at other times, magicians wax, or something similiar.

Is there a modern equivalent?

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Postby Marvo Marky » May 14th, '08, 09:58

Hi Brody.

Can you tell us a little bit more about Diachylon?

Obviously the implication is that it's similar to roughing spray but what exactly is it used for? Any other info, like chemical composition?

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Postby Mandrake » May 14th, '08, 10:17

Diachylon
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Diachylon "a medicament] composed of juices", also rendered diachylum or diaculum, was originally a kind of medicament made of the juices of several plants (thus its name), but now commonly the name for lead-plaster, emplastrum plumbi—a plaster made of lead oxide boiled together with olive oil and water. It is applied to sheets of linen, and works as an adhesive plaster when heated.

Historically, several different types of diachylons have been described. White, or simple, diacyhlon is compounded of common oil, litharge of gold (litharge mixed with red lead), and adhesives drawn from the root of the Althaea, the seeds of flax and fenugreek. The diachylon called direatum has for its basis the common white diachylon, but with every pound of which is mixed an ounce of powder of Iris; this plaster digests, incides, and ripens with more force than the simple diachylon.

There is also the great diachylon, or diachylon magnum, composed of litharge of gold, oils of iris, chamomile, and aneth, turpentine, pine resin, yellow wax, and adhesives derived from flax, fenugreek, with new figs, raisins of Damascus, icthyocolla, juices of iris, squill, and hyssop. This diachylon was said to soften hard swellings called scirrhus, and dissipate tumors.

The diachylon gummatum is the great diachylon with the addition of gum ammoniac, galbanum, and sagapenum, dissolved with wine, and boiled to a consistency of honey. This plaster was believed the most power of all for digesting, ripening, and resolving.


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Postby Marvo Marky » May 14th, '08, 10:34

Well this sounds nothing like roughing fluid. Nor, in fact, anything like magician's wax.

Hold on a minute..

Diachylon. In many cases, roughing fluid appears to be similiar, and at other times, magicians wax, or something similiar.

Roughing fluid is in no way similar to wax. I suppose I can think of one use where one or the other could be used, but that's it.

I'm confused.

What exaclty are you looking for?

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Postby thebigcheese » May 14th, '08, 14:49

Diachylon used to be used to make sticky plasters and so the modern day equlivelant to it is the adhesive used in sticky plasters: this is a minimum of 2 different water absorbant polymers such as poly isobutylenes-which can have an infinate number of molecular weights (kind of like expanding foam-one may expand a lot and the other not so much) Being water absorbant, the stickiness wont break when it gets wet. How this relates to roughing fluid I do not know-though it could hold the same properties as wax, depending how much it was heated to. What reasons are you wanting to use it for?
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Postby Mandrake » May 14th, '08, 15:03

For some reason I'm thinking 'Blu-Tac' no idea why...... :?

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Postby topper159 » May 14th, '08, 16:13

blu tack the cheap magicians alternative :D (downside it is fairly obvious)

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Postby brody » May 15th, '08, 03:18

More info on diachylon can be found in some of the really old magic books. Greater magic by Hilliard, Encyclopedia of Card tricks by Hugard, etc.

Some of the tricks they describe as "mixing the diachylon with carbon tetrachloride" and smearing this on the back of a card.

In other tricks, they get a small pellet of it under their finger nail and stick it on the back of a card.

I don't want to use magicians' wax, but maybe that's my best bet????

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Postby Mandrake » May 15th, '08, 09:08

Carbon Tetrachloride used to be used to clean clothes etc and it's probably got a lot of nasty side effects if used incorrectly. Wax is low price and easy, Sticky Dots and Glue Dots as used by folks who craft their own greetings cards and so on are another possibility. If the effect involves two pieces of card or equivalent then Changin' Glue or Double sided tape might suffice.

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Postby Michael Jay » May 15th, '08, 15:51

brody wrote:More info on diachylon can be found in some of the really old magic books. Greater magic by Hilliard, Encyclopedia of Card tricks by Hugard, etc.


From "Encyclopedia of Card Tricks:"

"Diachylon, when rubbed on the back of a card, renders it adhesive without altering its appearance and if another card is pressed against the surface so treated, the two adhere, and to all intents and purposes become one card. The two may be handled freely but can be separated with slight pressure."

It is roughing fluid.

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Postby brody » May 18th, '08, 01:35

No, not exactly. Remember, there are tricks where you put a small blob under your fingernail and stick this on the back of a card. More of a "magicians wax" type of thing in this application.


Perhaps it truly was a dual usage product that has no modern equivalent.

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Postby Tom Lauten » May 18th, '08, 19:45

Sounds an awful lot like this...

http://www.emagictricks.co.uk/product_i ... ts_id=5295

...I have been wondering what it was...

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Postby Bigtone53 » May 18th, '08, 20:03

It seems to me that people are confusing

1. diachylon = roughing fluid , and

2. magician's wax for which blutak is a low-grade subsititute.

They do different things

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Postby Robbie » May 19th, '08, 12:39

Diachylon is the fancier name for what used to be called "lead plaster" in Victorian times -- a mixture of lead oxide and oil that was spread hot on linen and used as a medical plaster. Probably banned nowadays for its lead content, although you can still get lead oxide creams, e.g. Sudacrem. Lead oxide is a combination antiseptic and counter-irritant (brings extra circulation to the area to promote healing).

Heated and thinned down, it could be painted invisibly on a card, making it rough and slightly sticky. It would stick to another card, but they would separate with minimal pressure.

In a cold solid lump, it was used in much the same way as magician's wax. I suppose the basic argument was that if you already had a supply of diachylon to use for roughing cards, why bother buying wax as well?

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Postby Tom Lauten » May 19th, '08, 13:15

Sounds an awful lot like this...

http://www.emagictricks.co.uk/product_i ... ts_id=5295

...I have been wondering what it was...


Is there an echo in here? :?

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