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lewis jones' seventh heaven has some stats...

i have lots of stats on it for my psychological acaan - there's a couple of old threads on here too if memory serves me well...

as said, there's LOADS you can do to verbally and visually nudge people towards certain cards...

there's also the inverse, with things like K.E.N.T., sean water's Ponderings ebook, and a host of other stuff...

there's also Greg Arce's Scorched...there's so much to wade through...

i used to do something similar queenie - i had the 7D reversed in the middle of the deck, 4C on the top, 7H on the bottom, and just say "make this difficult for me, not the more visually attractive court cards or aces..everyone says those...any other card...

oh and banachek has work on the visual side of things too...

Hugards's contain information about this as well as sharpe's Psyhcological Secrets.
The results tend to change from mentalist to mentalist due to various factors.
The only valid way is simply asking alot of people keeping a record of the answers and results.

Yaniv Deautsch
www.yanivd.co.il

If it helps the 9C is the least thought of card.

Acording to Banachek Psychological Subtleties...

Burling "Volta" Hull list KH - 2H - 3H - 4H - AD - 2D - AS - 2S - 3S - 4S - JC - JS are the 12 most commonly selected cards in no particular order.

Dick Barry's list. Women only QH - QD - AH - AD - AS - 3H - 3D - QS - KH - KD The 10 cards are the most thought of but, the last 3 are debatable.

Banacheks own personal list. Again in no order. AD - JD - AH - KH - QH - 10H - 3H - AS - QS - JS - 3S

Oh! The 7C is the most thought of card by MAGICIANS.

I became interested in this after seeing Derren do it on The Devils Picturebook. I followed his lead and asked people to name any card but not an obvious one.

That, really, was about it. Sure enough, as in the Picturebook they usually went for Clubs and the choices ranged from the 3 to the 6. So i now simply place the 3 and 4 on the top and the 5 and 6 on the bottom, so i can DL or glide as is needed.

Of course you'll always get someone who goes off on a tangent and goes really obscure and this should be expected.

While i don't do this very often, i have found the number of people to select a low Club quite staggering.

I have heard that low red numbers are also a very popular choice.
Low would mean under 5. I'm sorry if i wasn't clear enough, i just assumed that people would think this because their are ten numbered cards, and the low ones would be under 5, the high ones would be above 5. Thank you for reminding me to clarify. I was in a rush when i wrote this.

-Ben

I have heard that low red numbers are also a very popular choice

That really doesnt help much. Low being less than 7, there is at least 12 cards which could fit into the category.

I think that Dai Vernon had a trick not to sure of its name, but he laid out five cards and the spec had to think of one and he claimed it would be the four of hearts ; I tried it a few times and it worked!

pudcat wrote:I think that Dai Vernon had a trick not to sure of its name, but he laid out five cards and the spec had to think of one and he claimed it would be the four of hearts ; I tried it a few times and it worked!

Yeah, good example. That pschological f***e is quite effective with the right patter. I cant remember the exact name of it either...you can find it in "Expert Card Technique" though.

Yeah, good example. That pschological f***e is quite effective with the right patter. I cant remember the exact name of it either...you can find it in "Expert Card Technique" though.

Psychological Stop! I belive.

Wild Card wrote:

Yeah, good example. That pschological f***e is quite effective with the right patter. I cant remember the exact name of it either...you can find it in "Expert Card Technique" though.

Psychological Stop! I belive.

That's the one! Well remembered Wild Card, fair play to you!

I think i have the answer to what you are looking for...
I think it is better if you try to manipulate the spectator's way of thinking...
You can do this verbally and with your body language as well (making gestures suggesting shapes)
If you are not familiar with those techniques (more often done by advanced mentalists), you can try something a lot easier...Don't ask the spectator to think of a card...Ask them what card do they think is the most beautiful or something like that, suggesting that they have to think of an image (don't say that clearly) so you can make them think of a cork card...Add to that this line ''You are thinking of an Ace?'' If you got it, stop right there...But you should say that in a way like you didn't want them to choose an Ace...If they say no, you can say ''Ok, good, because everyone thinks of an Ace and i don't want it to be that easy''...If you have done this the right way now thaey are thinking of a cork card...It can be a Jack, a Queen or a King...So have those cards where you mentioned (top and bottom of the deck)...It would be better if all of those where hearts...People choose hearts more often...I also think you could make your revelations of the cards differently...If they choose the card you have on top of the deck do a DL, show the second, turn it face down again and place the first card on their hand...Have them call their card once more and tell them to turn it over...Same thing for the card that is second from the bottom...For the second card, turn the first card over and do a shapeshifter change or something like that...For the card on bottom do a hot-shot cut...I hope you find my ideas useful...

I know that this is a long dead post, but it's something that interests me too. I know it's been mentioned before, but I really do like the example demonstrated on the devils picturebook. Where the target card is either the 3 or 4 of clubs. If you can get the patter just right, it really does work out a lot more than not and because of the casual off the cuff way you can suggest it, if it doesn't hit, it's forgotten because they don't think of it as a trick, where as if it does hit, you'll forever be known as "that crazy magician who knew what I was thinking."

Great concept.

TylerMason wrote:

Wild Card wrote:

Yeah, good example. That pschological f***e is quite effective with the right patter. I cant remember the exact name of it either...you can find it in "Expert Card Technique" though.

Psychological Stop! I belive.

That's the one! Well remembered Wild Card, fair play to you!

No, its not 'Psychological Stop!'; it's 'Dai Vernon's Mental Force'. It is in Expert Card Technique though.

I've never understood the reason for people rejecting the nine of diamonds in Vernon's Mental Force trick. The book states that its widely considered an unlucky card but up until I first read that in the book I'd never heard of any superstitious stigma attached to that card.

queen of clubs wrote:
(I've freaked people out before when they've named that card and it's under their placemat or inside their cat or something)

It would certainly freak me out.