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I don't understand why you haven't taken Seige's advice. He is a professional. Basic photoshop skills do not make you a designer.

ridl3r wrote:PCs Are Better For Games.

PCs Are Better Media Machines.

PCs Are More Cost-Effective.

Apple Is Fascist.

It's Still a PC World Out There.

You can run the entire Windows operating system on a Mac.

There.

You can also run the entire windows OS on a...PC!

ridl3r wrote:PCs Are Better For Games.

PS3 & Wii are better for games. Macs and PC's are just computers.

ridl3r wrote:PCs Are Better Media Machines.

video editing, sound editing, DVD and CD creation & design... Macs win hands down. For spread sheets and word docs, Macs and PC's are about even these days.

ridl3r wrote:PCs Are More Cost-Effective.

Well, they are cheaper but that doesn't necessarily mean better value.

ridl3r wrote:Apple Is Fascist.

"a system of government characterized by rigid one-party dictatorship, forcible suppression of opposition, private economic enterprise under centralized governmental control, belligerent nationalism, racism, and militarism, etc."

???

sounds more like Microsoft that Apple.

ridl3r wrote:It's Still a PC World Out There.

True.

ridl3r wrote:You can also run the entire windows OS on a...PC!

Not that you'd want to

*drops the flamewar bomb and runs off*

[Rant]PCs Are Better For Games. Yes Consoles are for games, but so are computers. You're obviously not geeky enough to of played Call of Duty 4 on the pc Online .
Macs have, for some reason, have never been very good to gamers -- games on the Mac have largely been an afterthought while Microsoft is balls-deep in its Xbox experiment. For PC owners, having a top-of-the-line computer means being able to buy an assortment of titles so large you’ll never really have to pick up a videogame system. Meanwhile, the Mac makes you feel like a Soviet searching the bread shelves for crumbs of entertainment that may be released on the whim of cruel developers. Add to that the cost and difficulties Macs have in swapping out graphics cards, which is necessary if, perhaps, you actually wanted to keep playing modern games. GameTap and Steam make the PC a gaming-on-demand service with hundreds of retro and current titles there for the taking. GameTap works on Macs, but only Intel ones -- and not for all titles. And so it goes, until you want to tear your hair out.

PCs Are More Cost-Effective. Macs are still priced too high. Tell me you don’t agree. And if you don’t, then you’ve been hypnotized, too. The Apple Stores and apple.com have created a one-world pricing universe for all things Mac, while in the PC world there are multiple manufacturers, tons of retail stores, loads of sales and rebates, and plenty of cheap refurbished parts on the market that people can use to make their own dream machines. Apple’s cheapest laptop is still more than $1,000. You can get a PC laptop for $500 at Best Buy. Yes, they’re different in quality -- but an eight-year-old who needs to plunk out a book report doesn't need 0.13 inch-thin wafers of aluminum. Families, non-nerds, and most of the adult world need less-expensive options, and for $500, the only thing Apple sells that has a screen and reads email is an iPhone or an iTouch.

PCs Are Better Media Machines. I can see the Mac owners already bleeding out of their earholes over this one. f*** you, Macs can do everything with media in the entire universe! No, they can’t. Three letters for you: D.V.R. Windows Media Center has been a DVR replacement for years now, streaming all the video content your torrenting heart desires to boot, because Bill Gates swings that way. Steve Jobs prefers Front Row, Apple’s happy little interface that has no TiVo magic whatsoever. Apple TV, a set-top box that should have been a DVR, instead locks you to an iTunes account enslavement and a media-purchasing DRM-rental-blindered idea of “fun.” It may be easier to use an iPod and a Mac to download TV shows, but you’re also stuck with one media store, no recording options, and no way out once you’re completely sucked in. Yeah, I know there are third-party DVR options for the Mac. For how much Macs cost, you'd think they could bundle one in, right?

Apple Is Fascist. You can’t build a Mac easily, and you can’t really customize them, either -- not unless you want to invalidate your warranty. They’re like fancy sports cars run on a single computer chip, fixable only at your dealer for a set price. Hacking a Mac feels like rape to fanboys, and it can be done, but with a trip to Fry’s Electronics and a little lunch money in the PC world you can basically soup up your own Windows roadster. That’s not appealing to most people -- but there are amazing things you can do on PCs with homemade software that usually isn’t OS X-compatible whatsoever. Waiting for a Mac patch of a file-sharing program, cell phone patcher, or whatever your freedom-cherishing heart desires can feel like exile. Sure, Macs have fewer viruses, worms, and crapware -- but they also have expensive, difficult-to-mod machines that become obsolete in a few short years. The same thing happens to PCs, too. And they're cheaper.


It's Still a PC World Out There. Just in case you want to run your world business with a healthy dose of cheap labor from Pakistan (or, with the declining dollar, Alabama), just remember that it’ll be Windows you’ll need to run it on. But Macs run Windows! Yeah, I know. The Mac is a fine, high-end Windows machine. And it’s really cool that Macs run Windows XP. But the real issue is, when will OS X be good enough to not need to run Windows at all? That ability to boot up XP is not so much a Mac victory as it is Bill Gates’ triumph. He now has compatibility with his competitor, which was the whole idea in the first place. Apple should follow suit and make iLife available to Windows users in its entirety. Of course, they won’t. And every time I have to boot up Windows to load some obscure piece of software I want to run just because I can, it reminds me that OS X can’t run it. Apple’s design is the slickest around, but what I want to see is an even more wide-open computer, one where everything it does is better than a PC…not just most things. Until then I’m going to envy those PC users just a little bit. All 96.5 percent of you.
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Wild Card wrote:I don't understand why you haven't taken Seige's advice. He is a professional.

Kiss ass.

Oh dear, I must be bored. Sorry, mods

ridl3r wrote:Macs have, for some reason, have never been very good to gamers -- games on the Mac have largely been an afterthought while Microsoft is balls-deep in its Xbox experiment.

You're comparing apples (pun intended) and oranges here. A Mac is a computer, an xbox is a gaming machine. Microsoft have the xbox. Great! I'm not a gamer but I hear it's not too bad. So if I want to play games, I'll consider buying one

GameTap works on Macs, but only Intel ones

So only those sold in the last two years, then? Next you'll be telling me that games only work on PCs with top specs!

The Apple Stores and apple.com have created a one-world pricing universe for all things Mac, while in the PC world there are multiple manufacturers, tons of retail stores,

That's the whole point. People go apple because they don't want a frankenstein computer which may or may not work. Just because anybody can make a PC doesn't mean it's going to be any good

loads of sales and rebates, and plenty of cheap refurbished parts on the market

Apple have a refurb store. Lots of used/refurbished and EOL'd stuff at a discount. And I got my iMac in a sale on their website...

an eight-year-old who needs to plunk out a book report doesn't need 0.13 inch-thin wafers of aluminum. Families, non-nerds, and most of the adult world need less-expensive options, and for $500, the only thing Apple sells that has a screen and reads email is an iPhone or an iTouch.

The Macbook Air isn't aimed at the family market, it's aimed at the nerds. The Mac Mini, however...

Three letters for you: D.V.R. Windows Media Center has been a DVR replacement for years now, streaming all the video content your torrenting heart desires to boot, because Bill Gates swings that way.

I'm sure Gates (who's no longer at MS, btw) doesn't approve of your torrenting illegal rips of films...

It may be easier to use an iPod and a Mac to download TV shows, but you’re also stuck with one media store, no recording options, and no way out once you’re completely sucked in. Yeah, I know there are third-party DVR options for the Mac. For how much Macs cost, you'd think they could bundle one in, right?

Wrong. They don't allow downloads for legal reasons

You can’t build a Mac easily, and you can’t really customize them, either

That's the point. You're not meant to build your own computer. Do you build your own TV?

Sure, Macs have fewer viruses, worms, and crapware -- but they also have expensive, difficult-to-mod machines that become obsolete in a few short years. The same thing happens to PCs, too. And they're cheaper.

I'm having no problems writing this post on my four year old iBook G4. Which has never been formatted, upgraded, taken in for repair, or opened up for repair. The most maintenance I've done is clean the keyboard and screen

But the real issue is, when will OS X be good enough to not need to run Windows at all?

I'm happy running Mac OS, thanks!

Apple should follow suit and make iLife available to Windows users in its entirety. Of course, they won’t.

Maybe they're too busy maintaining their port of Safari and iTunes?

And every time I have to boot up Windows to load some obscure piece of software I want to run just because I can, it reminds me that OS X can’t run it.

But I don't want to do that. I can run everything I want/need to, and much more. Because I don't do obscure, thanks!

kolm wrote:But I don't want to do that. I can run everything I want/need to, and much more. Because I don't do obscure, thanks!

So what you're saying is, Macs are for people who like ubiquitous, pre-designed, off-the-peg stuff (however nice to look at), and PCs are for people who know what they're doing and like a bit of control...?

What I'd like to know is this: when did everyone in the world suddenly turn into graphic designers?! I hear that so much... "Macs are sooo much better for manipulating images/videos, therefore you should all use Macs." Er, no. I am neither a graphic designer nor a manipulator of video nor a wannabe laptop DJ. However, I do have a working knowledge of "computers", only because I'm a child of the technological age.

So, at risk of repeating our young friend - given that PCs are cheaper to buy and repair, easier and cheaper to upgrade (hence have a longer working life), that most people know how to use a PC whereas if I wanted a housemate to email me a file from home on a Mac I'd have to give them blow by blow instructions, plus the compatibility issues...

Horses for courses guys, horses for courses. It's not the fact that Mac users enjoy their Macs that's annoying, it's the fact they seem to think that everyone else should use them. A PC is clearly and simply a better choice for me, as it is for many other people, and guess what - PCs also just about manage to handle the odd image editing or designing program. So unless it becomes my main hobby or my job, I see no real reason why a Mac is better for me, other than "it's pretty". My PC is excellent at what it's designed for - being a jack of all trades. "Personal computer" - something that does general computing for my personal convenience. If it was supposed to be a media tool they'd call it an MT. And if I want more memory or RAM or whatever, I can go to Ye Olde Computer Shoppe down the road, I'll have it back in time for tea and I'll have change from a sixpence.

Mac's current OS is far superior to windows for web browsing. Don't knock it until you've tried both. Faster, more logical, more practical.

Kiss ass.

Thomas, these amusing and rather pathetic attacks do not mean a thing. Please keep your opinions, on myself and on many of the racial groups of England to yourself.

As anticipated, this thread is going down the route to upset and insult. Please be advised that we aren't in the mood for such silliness, OK?