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im having alot of trouble with my pass. i have a general idea of how its done but if anyone could offer any pointers it would be greatly appreciated. thanks

I think the reason you're having trouble with it is because, as you say, you only have "a general idea of how it's done".

The pass is a very personal move. What I mean by that is everyone who has a comfortable pass does it differently. It's knacky. Invest in a book or a DVD which teaches the move and then adapt the teaching to your own preference.

One word of advice - don't buy "On The Pass" by Richard Kaufman. It's bloody awful.

thanks alot. its greatly appreciated!

Seconding Queenie's advice above.
Learning the pass is a very 'organic' process and will change over the months and years, and according to circumstances. Try and learn from as many sousrces as possible, picking up bits and pieces as you go.

However:

queen of clubs wrote:One word of advice - don't buy "On The Pass" by Richard Kaufman. It's bloody awful.

Now it's not that bad Queenie. Ok his pass isn't brilliant, but the DVD does contain some nice variants.

Rather handily, the pass is one of those moves that can benefit from seeing someone perform it on Youtube - good as well as bad.
I learned a lot from a guy called Jonathan Kam (I think) who has a great pass on Youtube, although I have also learned from others who post their more feeble attempts.

I'm sorry I cant link to them Youtube is barred here at work.

Marvo Marky wrote:

queen of clubs wrote:One word of advice - don't buy "On The Pass" by Richard Kaufman. It's bloody awful.

Now it's not that bad Queenie. Ok his pass isn't brilliant, but the DVD does contain some nice variants.

I was very disappointed with it. Twenty quid I paid for the disc only to find out that I already had a better pass than that Borat look-a-like! I think it's rather presumptuous and cheeky of Kaufman to have put out a DVD teaching a move he's not particularly good at.

Now if Tony Hyams put out a pass DVD...

queen of clubs wrote:I was very disappointed with it. Twenty quid I paid for the disc only to find out that I already had a better pass than that Borat look-a-like! I think it's rather presumptuous and cheeky of Kaufman to have put out a DVD teaching a move he's not particularly good at.

Ok fair enough, it is a big price for an average pass. And yes, he does look like he should be wearing tracksuit bottoms and leather brogues.

But it's worth it if you need to know the mechanics of any of the other passes and you are confident enough to master them through your own perseverence.
Oh aye, and I'm quite fond of the Biddle Trick variation. Hoopla!

I don't mean to brag but I think my pass is pretty darn good. I've been married now for 7 yrs.

sorry I couldn't resist.

bmat wrote:I don't mean to brag but I think my pass is pretty darn good.

Ah, I see, in Pennsylvania, the initial letter 'P' is always silent.....

Yep, 'On The Pass' was a big disappointment to me too. I'd only ever heard good things before I got it and imagined it as a kind of holy grail that would finally give me the insight I was looking for. I couldn't believe it when the Classic Pass 'tuition' was covered in about a minute by him pretty much just doing it quite quickly a few times. His demonstration of how to cover the action by moving your hands towards you is hugely unconvincing.

I'm far from an expert at the pass but I found it helped if I stopped worrying about speed and just concentrated on using the lower packet as a kind of shield for the dirty work with the other packet. I use gravity by angling the whole pack (just for a second as my left thumb runs along the edge, got this from On The Pass I think so guess not all bad) so the long edge faces upwards and the top packet slides off without needing much extra help from your fingers. I started by using elastic bands around each packet which I think came from an idea from 'Born to Perform'. Incidentally I don't particularly rate Born To Perform as a good place to learn the pass but is good for lots of other moves.

Remember that a lot of the passes you see on youtube are filmed from an incredibly helpful angle ie. directly above so don't let it intimidate you that yours may not be as invisible in the mirror to begin with.

Having said that this youtube tutorial may prove useful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrwKVbneR_c have no idea where I found this and may even come from a tm member.

I'm sure you have already been practicing a lot but the tedious truth is that once you have found a good source of information, practice really is the key.