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Rubber Cement

Postby bananafish » Aug 6th, '04, 16:16



If I wanted to buy Rubber cement here in the UK, to make up a teleportation envelope (ala ted Lesley), what would the equivelent be in the UK? I thought it was Cow gum, now I am not so sure as that seems a bit thick. The idea is I think, that it becomes the gummy bit on the enevelope...

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Postby Mark Waddington » Aug 6th, '04, 16:36

copydex?

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Postby Mandrake » Aug 6th, '04, 16:37

Cow Gum certainly used to be the standard rubber cement at one time with Copydex coming in a close second as it was a bit thicker. Cow Gum can be spread very thinly if the weather is warm like it is at the moment.

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Postby nickj » Aug 6th, '04, 16:57

I think UHU do a rubber cement too.

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Postby bananafish » Aug 6th, '04, 17:32

Thanks guys. instant support - as usual...

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Postby midge25 » Aug 6th, '04, 20:18

dont know if this will work with the teleportation envelopes, as i have not made them

but i bought copydex to make the slow burn gimmick, but found it too thick, i ended up using spray mount instead which was perfect

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Postby bananafish » Aug 6th, '04, 23:37

spray mount would probblywork, it's just difficult to apply in this case unless I maked it all off first.

I'll probably go with the "repositional pritt stick thingie" or RPST

RPST ,sock it to me, sock it to me, sock it to me. RPST...
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Postby multiply » Oct 7th, '04, 16:10

I am also (in the UK) looking for both rubber cement and thinner to do 'The Harry Anderson Trick'. My original purchase came with the RC, but that has nearly run out. I wonder if Cow Gum/Copydex would be suitable replacements?

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Postby daleshrimpton » Oct 7th, '04, 16:54

You must use a latex based adhesive for the teleportation envelope, as the whole point is, the thing can be opened by the spectator.Prit stick, and other types of glue take a little longer to dry. It may be worth buying a bicycle repair kit, which has a small tube of a latex based adhesive in it. Copydex is probably as good as anything else though. Or,( and maybe tom could confirm this), try a latex based theatrical make up preparation called old age stipple. This is a very thin latex, used to create wrinkles on the skin.
Once dried and powdered, this will have the same tackiness as copydex.
Its not cheap, but could be the perfect solution.

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Postby multiply » Oct 7th, '04, 17:05

Thanks, Dale.
The thing is, I'm looking for a different type of cement, as used in Harry Anderson's Needle trick. I think it needs to be stronger than that used for the envelope.
Sorry for the confusion, but I was doing a search in the forum for Rubber Cement and this was the only thread I found. Different trick - same problem...

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Postby Part-Timer » Oct 8th, '04, 08:23

I don't know the specifics of the needle trick, but if it's what I suspect, perhaps try theatrical liquid latex. It's sometimes sold to facilitate horror make up.

It's Halloween soon and you might be able to find this sort of thing in lots of shops. I've definitely seen it in card shops in previous years.

I can't guarantee that it will be strong enough for your purposes, though. Obviously, the stuff for kids is probably designed more for ease of clean up and removal than strength.

If that's no good, try a theatrical make up place. There are a few in the Covent Garden area.

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Postby Michael Jay » Oct 8th, '04, 13:21

Copydex is the same thing as rubber cement (bought in most grocery shops and drug stores, as well as office supply shops, here in the states - very, very easy to find). For Anderson's needle through arm, you use regular rubber cement...NOT the stuff that comes in a bike repair kit, which you ABSOLUTELY do not want on your arm.

Any effect that calls for rubber cement (found in the states) will be equally as workable with copydex (in the UK). Keep in mind, rubber cement can be used in several different ways. If you place it on two seperate sheets of paper and allow it to dry, it will not be sticky to the touch once dry. However, if the two dried surfaces of rubber cement (copydex) come into contact, they will immediately bond. Conversely, if the two surfaces are bonded while the cement is whet, the bond will be neither immediate nor anywhere as strong as the dried bonding. Two surfaces bonded whet can be easily taken apart (after dried) while two surfaces bonded dry will oftentimes cause the paper to tear when trying to take them back apart.

Just some stuff to thing about when using this type of glue. Oh, and by the way, rubber cement does not poorly effect paper products. Many glues will cause paper to buckle or otherwise show signs of glueing, rubber cement (copydex) will not.

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Postby daleshrimpton » Oct 8th, '04, 14:03

It should be noted that my sugestion for using the bike cement was based on the original question regarding Ted Lesley's teleportation envelopes .
i would in no way advocate using this product on the skin.

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Postby bananafish » Oct 8th, '04, 14:22

repostional glue (blue glue) works very well for teleportaion envelopes.

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