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What is the best source of gambling cheats? I was going to start a routine and would like to get a book/dvd on the subject.

Thanks!

Wouldn't the usual advanced card technique sourcs cover it? false shuffles and cuts. 2nd middle and bottom dealing etc

I imagine your best bet (boom boom) would be the Scarne stuff available from lybrary.com to download. I'm sure some cardie types will inform you more accurately over the following hours.

I rather enjoyed Weapons of a Card Shark but it's pretty well known that Darwin Ortiz is a world authority on casino cheating.

John scarne and Ortiz are both pretty good bets as mentioned before.
I think Ricky Jay does a bit on gambling routines also Expert at the card table Erdnase was made for gambling cheats rather than magicians but it is a book mostly of the sleights that magicians and gamblers employ.

Try this.

http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic26337.php

I'm slowly working my way through the content but this is definately biased towards gambling rather than magic.

The main difference between the two is that with gambling, the cards are almost always manipulated when they are on, or have contact with the card table whereas a magician manipulates the cards when held in the hands. Hope that you see what I mean

Vernon's Poker demonstration is an EXCELLENT Gambling routine that is also extremely simple to do!

There is a 3 disc DVD set of card gambling moves by Simon Lovell which has buckets of stuff:

3 Block Shuffle
The Zarrow Shuffle
Gambler's Zarrow Variation
Sloppy False Shuffle
Audible Shuffle
Pop-Over Shuffle
Charlier Shuffle
Push-Through Shuffle
One Handed Riffle Shuffle
Jog Shuffle
False Chop Shuffle
Squish-It Shuffle
Mahatma Control
Out Of Control
Multiple Packet Cuts
Greek Cut
True Cut
Springing the Deck
Frank Thompson's False Cut
Poor Man's Hop
Riffle Cut Control
The Table Hop
Single 4-Way Flourish
Riffle Stacking 101
4 Coin Rollout
Simey's Flippy Switch
Angle of the Dangle
Ralthazab
Double Dealing
Push-Off 2nd Deal explained
Second Deal Variations
Using the Second Deal
Bottom Dealing
Multiple Top Changes
Side Steal
A Gambler's Move
Pick a Suit
Hand Mucking
Drawing Cards for the Muck
Center Key Card
Leave it Cut
Table Hop
Poor Man's Hop
Slow-Mo Cut
Riffle Pass
Tepid Tornado
4 AM Shuffle
Wobbly Wombat
The Pass
Gambling Museum
Prism Shoe
Check Cup
Magnetic Dice
Tops & Bottoms
The Belly Hold-Out Switcher
Belly Stripper Deck
Card Punch

Andrew Wimhurst's stuff is also brilliant.

Have seen a couple of short booklets on eBay (say 40-80 pages) - "The Gambling Magician" by BW McCarron and "Beat 'em, Cheat 'em and Leave 'em Bleedin'", not sure of author here - Shakespeare? JK Rowling? The Dali Lama?


TI

Beat 'Em was written by Bob Farmer. It's a great wee book of scams and betchas, but little in the way of gambling demos.

Ian - if you are new to magic, or card handling certainly, you may want to hold off for a few years before getting into this territory. The vast majority of moves require better than average card handling skills, and you will find your progress significantly better if you have a very solid grounding in place.

Having said that, there are a number of places you can look, depending on your ability to decypher scant intructions. Many folk will point you to Erdnase, but this will require a great deal of concerted study. How much you get from it is a very personal thing.

The Ben Earle DVD set has some interesting gambling type stuff on the second disc, but does ask for advanced handling.

There are, as noted above, a number of 'expose' videos on the market, but I've not seen one which teaches any move in any detail. For the most part, the people making these videos have little or no teaching experience or skill, which can make for a frustrating time.

Often the search is the fun bit. I wish you well.

Take care, Ian

There's quite a good "How to cheat at poker" dvd out. Around £16 i think. Good camera angles shot from under a glass table also included.

Bit like those "specialist" films i like to watch.

Duplicity wrote:Bit like those "specialist" films i like to watch.

Lots of good suggestions already. I have to echo the comment that you will largely need good card skills already.

Martin A. Nash's whole premise is that of a 'charming cheat', and you might find his DVDs interesting. Some of them have alot more cheating than you'd expect.

Another option, of which I have no experience whatsoever, is Richard Turner's work. He has a number of DVDs out, and they seem to be highly regarded, although I read that the DVD structure and navigation isn't always that good.

Part-Timer wrote:

Duplicity wrote:Bit like those "specialist" films i like to watch.

Lots of good suggestions already. I have to echo the comment that you will largely need good card skills already.

Martin A. Nash's whole premise is that of a 'charming cheat', and you might find his DVDs interesting. Some of them have alot more cheating than you'd expect.

Another option, of which I have no experience whatsoever, is Richard Turner's work. He has a number of DVDs out, and they seem to be highly regarded, although I read that the DVD structure and navigation isn't always that good.

Richard Turner's stuff is really good from what I've experienced. The menus and navigation aren't as good as some, but then, aren't as bad as others. In my experience, Turner's stuff is shot from multiple angles, including from under a glass table. He's pretty detailed in his explanations, but be prepared to work hard on the stuff he teaches, b/c his level of proficiency makes it look easy, but it's not (at least not for me). As a little insight into Turner's stuff, don't start with the "Cheat," as it's not "technically" an instructional DVD. It's more of a whole routine from him where he displays cheating techniques. You can definitely learn from it, but I wouldn't start with it, as its purpose isn't actually for instruction. You'd be better off starting with "Best of the Bottoms," which is a great DVD on just bottom dealing (with as little finger flash as possible) or "The Science of Shuffling and Stacking," which I'm sure out can figure out from the name. Another good one that I've heard from others is "Shifts, Hops and Magic Passes," but I don't own that one, so I can't say for sure.

Oh, and Martin Nash does have some great stuff. I can't remember for sure which DVD it is (I'm thinking it's "Charming Cheat, V. 5), where he spends about or slightly over an hour just on 2nd, center and bottom dealing; both technique and ideas for practice.

All best in your quest!