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Sorry I still don't get this bevel move.
The cards are squared in my left hand in dealer posotion. My right thumb pushes down on the top card & slides cards to the right slightly.
This move can slide anywhere between 1 - 20 cards, what amount should I be aiming at?

So I have a slightly skewed pack with the top cards tipping to the left, ala leaning tower, but that doesn't help me in confidently picking up two cards? I know it's all practise but I can't see the correct moves to practise at this point.

Are there any other DL methods that have been written up & put on the web.

For a beginner what is the easiest method of the DL? Thanks.

Ok..

I've tried the Larry Jennings Snap Double along with others.. and failed !

At the moment I use one of two. The instant DL (which takes a bit of practice but I'm finding it easier as I go on) and getting a TB at the back, pausing, and lifting.

I noticed that JB magic use an alternative (watch some of the demo videos to see what I mean ! Is this the same as the classic DL ?), which is fairly easy to master (well I managed it) but I don't think this is for me really, I just don't feel natural with it.

So I suggest the instant or the TB at the rear.

Hope this helps

Slippery

ok, ive made a quick tutorial on the way I do the DL... it shows what i mean by bevelling the deck etc.. the downside is that its about 1.9 MB in length so if anyone wants it then they should be able to accept files this size through email

Pm me if your interested

Thanks Mog for the video, will have a good study of it later today & let you know.

I've web spaced it so anyone else wanting it click below. It should be around at least for a couple of months on that link.
http://www.lp6.co.uk/magic/DoubleLiftTutorial.wmv

Thanks Mog..

Excellent.. most appreciated.

Like the bevel for the pinkie count.. never thought of that !

Cheers

Slippery

Grrrrr frustration setting in.

Thanks for the video Mog. It does help me bevaling the cards but no way can I guarentee I've got two, more like 3 - 5. And my tun over is pretty poor but at this point I'd like to be able to get the right amount of cards selected first.

I know, practise, practise & a bit more practise

Can you tell me, is it easier using new cards or a worn used deck?

As with all tricks and sleights,

practise, practise & a bit more practise

And when you've done that, practise it again. At some point it will all kick in and you'll wonder why you ever had difficulty - a bit like riding a bike.
Best of luck!

a new deck helps a lot i find

mog thanxs for improving my double 200% you star.

happy to help

Madrakes right..

Practice.. practice and at some point it will just click.

I practiced the DL for ages and tried all maner of techniques (from Kaufman's DVD to Daryls DVDs) until I found a couple that I felt comfortable with and which I was naturally better at than the others.

Then it was just practice until I could do it 60-70% of my attempts.. and then one day.. it just happened. Now I'm 98% there with it.

So keep practicing and eventually it really all does click into place.

(Same happened to me on the Elmsley and Jordan counts)

So keep going..

Slippery

to be honest thats the best advice anyone should follow... the whole idea of it is to get the move/technique embedded into you... muscle memory i think its called... think of the martial artist who repeats a move over and over so when its actually required the body just does it... no thought required... that is what your aiming for

Hi m8, your question has been answered pretty exhaustively.
I tend to use the fleshy part of my thumb to count off two cards. By rolling the ball of the thumb slightly as I lift the first card, I pick up the 2nd one separated by a couple of mm. I then roll the thumb backwards, and the top card drops onto the lower card. This may seem a bit visible, but it is such a small movement, that it is virtually invisible.
The advantage of this move, is you can equally well pick up three cards (e.g. if you are doing the 2 card monte from the ellusionist Ninja videos).

Tips:
Rather than lift the top cards off, let the rest of the deck fall away very sleightly. This way, your left hand does not move - this makes the move more imperceptible. Also, as mentioned in some of the other replies to your post, bevel the cards sleightly with your right forefinger. This makes it easy to feel each card you are lifting off.

Practise whilst not looking at your hands, so you can do it completely by feel. If you are looking at your hands, so will your spectators. By looking in their eyes whilst delivering your patter, you will deflect most of their attention from the cards (obviously this goes for any sleight).

I have pretty much mastered the one-handed pushoff DL taught by Brad Christian in his ellusionist Ambitious Card video. This DL is very good, but takes a lot of practise and is IMHO more fallible, but when well done is indetectable. Especially good for performing in front of people who know about double lifts (e.g. other magicians).

Thanks BCFaigg.

When posting most of the above I was practising on british sized cards, have since switched to bycycle cards & find these much easier to dl on.

Still haven't tried rough back cards, are these better for gripping, they sound it?

As above it seems so noticable to me this dl but having performed it several times now no one ever picks up on it. Not even my son & he's my hardest judge who knows all the secrets! Maybe he's being kind.

Hmmm. don't know if this is the place to be explaining a slight or not, is that okay? Probably not, So here's this: just practice very gently feeling the cards at the inside end with you thumb while watching t.v. comercials. Do it by feel only. After a couple of your favorite movies, you can get a good feel for the inside lift prior to the break without looking at it. This is how I practice most of my new slights. That way, I am less likely to call everybody's attention to my slight, by watching it myself as I do it