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Postby flaw07 » Dec 28th, '08, 02:31



For Xmas this year, I was given a copy of the Ninja DVD from E. Its a dvd devoted to the pass and its uses. The problem I'm having is that in the video, the move is explained once and at such a godawful angle it's confusing me. Can anyone point me in the direction of a good video or book that will help me improve on this move. I've been trying to work on it nonstop since I got it and can't for the life of me get it right.
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Postby Tomo » Dec 28th, '08, 03:08

"On The Pass" by Richard Kaufman is probably the best all-round resource on the pass.

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Postby cragglecat » Dec 28th, '08, 16:50

I think card college covers the mechanics of the pass and various covers very well along with a whole lot more. The Kaufman DVD seems to have mixed reviews on TM but I don't own a copy so I can't comment. Good old royal road to card magic also covers the mechanics of the move very well but you will need to experiment a lot to find covers that work for you.

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Postby blacksoccer25 » Dec 28th, '08, 23:30

The pass is covered very well in Card College Vol. 2 (Roberto Giobbi) with advanced passes covered in Vol. 4. I have Kaufman's DVD On The Pass and I found it a great resource. Remember that the pass takes a lot of practice and it's really important to get the mechanics down early so you aren't practicing improper technique. For me, once I was able to do it slowly, it just took a lot of repetitions.

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Postby Liam number ? » Dec 29th, '08, 05:32

It depends whether which sort of pass you need whether on an offbeat of whatever try jay sankeys sleeve up pass or have a look in Expert card technique

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Postby Liam number ? » Dec 29th, '08, 05:32

Remember that your left and right hand should pull up with the same amount of pressure( In the classic pass anyway)

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Postby flaw07 » Dec 29th, '08, 06:38

just out of curiosity, I can kind of do the move if I take it slow and use two fingers inside the break, yet in the video, it shows both and recommends that I only use one(the pinky) which is better? My biggest concern is that if I do it with two that I will get caught easier

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Postby spudgun » Dec 29th, '08, 08:18

in my opinion the technique used to do the pass is very important so if you are trying to adapt it to a 2 fingered variety youll just end up learning a bad habit. particularly because so much of the pass is muscle memory that if you learn it incorectlt then it will be hard to rectify.

oh and i like the kaufmann dvd too....some people dont like it and say hes not good at the move but it "is" a good resource. Having said that i use my pass frequently but its not one of those colour changie amazing passes (i mean if youve got one of those then you need to get out more) :wink:

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Postby Strep » Dec 29th, '08, 09:18

I learned the pass by watching some young whipper snapper on youtube. It's definitely one of those moves where you need to start off really really slowly until your hands memorise what they are doing. You can then pick up the pace a little. I use the pass a fair amount but generally only on the offbeat.

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Postby Ollini » Jan 3rd, '09, 17:16

You can do it even slowly if you provide enough misdirection for eg eye contact. I use the pass almost all the time. And if someone accidentally spots that you "did something", just combine it with a false shuffle, and the spectators will completely forget that they saw something sneaky.
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Postby Tony Hyams » Jan 4th, '09, 00:54

The pass is one of those moves that is a pain in the a@#s to master, but once you've got it down, its great. I use this slight all the time.

This is my PASS

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Postby JellyBaby » Jan 4th, '09, 01:22

go into your nearest magic store and ask for one on one advice or seek out an exchange of methods from someone you know to have a good pass. if you have a way of posting videos on youtube or emailing them to someone then I'd be willing to help or try asking Queen of Clubs for advice as her pass is excellent.

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Postby Ollini » Jan 4th, '09, 02:22

Wow Mr. Hyams that is one fast pass! Watched your other videos as well. Theire great. :D

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Postby JellyBaby » Jan 4th, '09, 03:25

The pass is simply cutting the deck whilst tilting both halves of it - an intrinsically simple move.

As Roy Walton said "Never use the pass without misdirection". Once it starts being used as a colour change it is being exposed. There are many colour changes out there which justify the magical moment but to do this whilst having the deck stationary in the hands is lazy and reveals the power we have in controlling a card.

RRTCM, ECT and Card College all have a paragraph explaining the need to have a moment which justifies the magic - be it shaking the card in Marlo's Twirl, the rubbing in Laurie Ireland's Rub-a-dub-dub or the spinning in Dan and Dave's Jones change.

I'm sure the above poster of the pass as colour change video wouldn't be so irresponsible as to use this as a colour change but has instead posted it as an example of the speed at which he can perform as pass.

But as I've illustrated above with a quote from the illustruous Mr Walton, speed is not necessary when performing the pass.

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Postby Lenoir » Jan 4th, '09, 12:35

JellyBaby wrote:But as I've illustrated above with a quote from the illustruous Mr Walton, speed is not necessary when performing the pass.


Indeed, as Derren demonstrates on The Devil's Picture Book.

"I want to do magic...but I don't want to be referred to as a magician." - A layman chatting to me about magic.
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