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Tomo wrote:My boss insisted I go into work this morning. That's the major drawback with being self employed and working from home.

Get your own back, leave early when the boss isn't looking...

Replicant's Tip of the Day: Don't eat yellow snow.

Lenoir, hope your brother makes a swift recovery. When I was about ten, I knocked my brother's tooth out with a chunk of ice that I had cunningly disguised as an innocent-looking snowball (I was a bad boy in those days). Nevermind; his tooth was already loose, anyway, so I probably did him a favour. Kids, eh?

Replicant wrote:Replicant's Tip of the Day: Don't eat yellow snow.

Tell it to my dog!

Jean Eugene Roberts wrote:

pcwells wrote:Are you saying the C.S Lewis, as a children's author, didn't have the right to be Christian? Would you have made this fuss if it had a Druidism subtext?

Not at all. I just have a strong dislike of stealth preaching.

But then at least CS Lewis was stealthy about it. The main kids' TV channel that my little boy watches is CBeebies. I encourage it, because it's a BBC channel and has no commercials. But there are loads of inserts about environmental matters, whole programmes given over to a 'go eco' theme, baddies with names like 'Polluto' and 'Smog, and a thoroughly nauseating, barf-inducing show called the 'Green Balloon Club'.

Now, I agree that there's a need to recycle, conserve energy and stop poisoning the planet. But I don't believe that three-year-old children should be burdened with it all. Children should be allowed to be children. If they're taught any social lessons at this age, it's empathy and respect for themselves and others. All the rest will follow.

So you dislike stealth preaching, unless they're stealthy enough not to notice?
My point was C.S Lewis wasn't stealth preaching, the only reason Aslan represents Jesus is because that's what a loving god is to C.S Lewis. He was writing a story and with all his stories there was a Christian subtext, but all he was ever doing, all he wanted to do was tell a story, not preach a message, and that was obvious by the fact that you didn't notice the christian theme as a child.

I agree with you on the whole sending messages to kids. Unfortunately there has never been a kids show that didn't either try to push a moral agenda onto kids or just try to sell them stuff. (Other than the Tick.)

Tomo wrote:It's a bit of snow, not even a lot of snow, but BBC News seems to think it's the End of Times.

My boss insisted I go into work this morning. That's the major drawback with being self employed and working from home.

yes.. but look at it this way. At least you can do your work naked if you want.

daleshrimpton wrote:yes.. but look at it this way. At least you can do your work naked if you want.

In this weather?

Technically even if you worked in public you could go to work naked if you want (admittedly the consequences would be slightly more servear.)

In this weather it would shrivel up until it resembled a walnut. Not pleasant.

Jean Eugene Roberts wrote:So you dislike stealth preaching, unless they're stealthy enough not to notice?

I agree with you on the whole sending messages to kids. Unfortunately there has never been a kids show that didn't either try to push a moral agenda onto kids or just try to sell them stuff. (Other than the Tick.)

I just think that children should be allowed to dicover their world without being burdened with hangups from the adult world.

And I disagree that all kids' programmes are preachy, driven by socio-political agenas or marketing vehicles for toys. CBeebies has the occasional gem - Nina and the Neurons being one example, in which Nina and friends conduct experiments to answer questions such as 'why do we have eyebrows?'.

And I fondly remember Willow The Wisp, which was just plain daft. Or the many Smallfilms ventures - Bagpuss, The Clangers, Noggin the Nog, Ivor the Engine... They were all about the storytelling.

Oh, and there was Chorlton and the Wheelies....

Happy happy days.

pcwells wrote:I just think that children should be allowed to dicover their world without being burdened with hangups from the adult world.

I agree.

pcwells wrote:And I disagree that all kids' programmes are preachy, driven by socio-political agenas or marketing vehicles for toys. CBeebies has the occasional gem - Nina and the Neurons being one example, in which Nina and friends conduct experiments to answer questions such as 'why do we have eyebrows?'.
And I fondly remember Willow The Wisp, which was just plain daft. Or the many Smallfilms ventures - Bagpuss, The Clangers, Noggin the Nog, Ivor the Engine... They were all about the storytelling.

Oh, and there was Chorlton and the Wheelies....

Happy happy days.

Fair enough, I admit my knowledge of cartoons ends with what I grew up with (and Ben10 which is what the kids at the playground I work at all talk about.)

However I have to say I was talking about kids a little older, after you outgrow (in my case) Bill and Ben Flowerpot men, Thomas the Tank engine, Fireman Sam Etc suddenly cartoons for me were all about sending moral massages (i.e Thundercats) or selling me products (ie pokemon) I still enjoyed them and part of me still enjoys it today. I just hate the way the adult world always view's children as incomplete people to be molded and manipulated.