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New Overhand False Shuffle (Hope So)

Postby jnss24 » Mar 4th, '09, 15:51



Some time ago i came up with a false overhand shuffle for my stacked deck routines. I have searched everywhere for a shuffle that resembles mine but couldn't find any.
Here are the most relevant false overhand shuffles i know of:
G.W. Hunter False Shuffle
Optical False Shuffle
Rezvani False Shuffle
Circulation False Shuffle
Overhanded Underhanded Shuffle
There is little information on a certain Gordon Bruce false shuffle but i think it is similar to the overhanded underhanded shuffle. There are also some other false shuffles i couldn't find anything about such as the bavarian false shuffle and the spider false shuffle.
If you could help me expand the above list i would very much appreciate it.
As for my shuffle, it gives the deck a complete cut and is very deceptive.
I don't really want to go into details about it but i can tell you it works completely different from the shuffles i mentioned. Also with enough pratice the false shuffle can become completely undistinguishable from a real shuffle.

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Postby Ky1eNewton » Mar 4th, '09, 16:39

Well obviously I can't tell if it is a new shuffle but I wish you all the luck with it, unfortunately I can't think of any false over hand shuffles off the top of my head but I may have a look later tonight and see what I can find. - have you thought of any sort of effect you'll be incorporating it into?

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Postby Lenoir » Mar 4th, '09, 16:43

All of the shuffles you mentioned I'm familiar with, and off the top of my head, I can't think of any others.

The Greek shuffle is one, but I'm not sure if that goes under a different, already mentioned, name.

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Postby jnss24 » Mar 4th, '09, 18:48

I already know the greek and joker shuffle. When i said overhand false shuffle i meant a shuffle which simulates a common overhand shuffle. I don't think the greek and joker shuffle fall into that category. I don't have any specific effect which uses the shuffle. I usually perform the two shuffle Heinstein sequence at the beginning of my stacked deck effects when people aren't considering the possibility of a false shuffle. After that i only use the overhand false shuffle alternating with simple rapid overhand cuts. In my opinion the shuffle is really strong. People always insist i have a marked deck. When i tell them I'm not shuffling they call me a liar and insist that i put the deck in full deck order. To this date none has figured out how i do it so i think it must be good.

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Postby magicofthemind » Mar 5th, '09, 10:53

Here's one you probably won't have heard of - it's in Will Dexter's book "Feature Magic for Mentalists". He doesn't claim it's original - but he can't remember where it came from! It's really more like a false cut using four blocks but it looks like a shuffle.

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Postby IanKendall » Mar 5th, '09, 14:15

I have an overhand false shuffle, both full deck and top stock. They are on the virtual sessions.

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Postby jnss24 » Mar 5th, '09, 16:04

Today i showed a couple of false shuffles to a professional poker player. He told me my zarrow sucks (happens) and figured out all the false overhand shuffles i showed him. When i showed my shuffle he was baffled. When i performed the shuffle and told him it was false he requested me to put the deck in ace through king order. He couldn't figure it out even after i performed real and false shuffle in an alternating way.
I would like to ask you if there are any magic conventions or some place where i can go and show magicians the shuffle? I would like to have an experts opinion on the shuffle but i don't want to make a video.
Also could you explain to me what the charlier shuffle is? is it an overhand shuffle or something?

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Postby MagicBill » Mar 5th, '09, 19:32

So why don't you want to make a video? If the shuffle is as deceptive as you say it is then no one should be able to fathom out the method!
And a Charlier cut? Are you sure? Simply a one handed cut!

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Postby Lenoir » Mar 5th, '09, 19:33

MagicBill wrote:And a Charlier cut? Are you sure? Simply a one handed cut!


He asked for the Charlier shuffle, not the cut.

It's a very very simple shuffle, that looks like your completely mixing the pack, but really, the result is just the deck is cut.

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Postby MagicBill » Mar 5th, '09, 19:44

Oops - my bad! Sorry! That speed reading book I bought is going in the bin!

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Postby jnss24 » Mar 6th, '09, 18:32

I can add two shuffles to the list which are not my shuffle:
Mead / Kennedy False shuffle and the Pick-up false shuffle.
I came across a certain "Charlier undercut overhand shuffle", could you explain what that is and maybe a place where i can find it?
Also the poker player i mentioned earlier finally figured it out. I guess i showed it to him too many times lol. But he still can't distinguish between my true and false shuffles.

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