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multiply wrote:Thanks, Dale.
The thing is, I'm looking for a different type of cement, as used in Harry Anderson's Needle trick. I think it needs to be stronger than that used for the envelope.
Sorry for the confusion, but I was doing a search in the forum for Rubber Cement and this was the only thread I found. Different trick - same problem...

Its called spirit gum and any good theartical supplier will stock it.

Paula


Wrong quote on this - sorry

See my post further down.

Paula

Spirit gum is a completely different animal again. I am not sure that it will adhere skin to skin. Also, there are two types of this, Water soluble, and spirit based. The soluble will seat off in time. Neither can be rubbed away, like a latex based glue can.

If you use "Spirit Gum" (which is a skin glue for putting on pieces of rubber to the skin, glueing on mustaches, etc.) for "Needle Through Arm" you are going to be very disappointed with the results. I do "Needle Through Arm" and I'm going to tell you, in no uncertain terms, that rubber cement (copydex) is what you need. Full stop.

For "Needle Through Arm" to work, you MUST have a glue that will adhere to itself after it is dry. That is EXACTLY what rubber cement (copydex) does. Spirit gum does not do this. Spirit gum is not intended to do what rubber cement (copydex) does and rubber cement (copydex) is not a theatrical glue for the skin. Spirit gum is designed to safely glue items to the skin and is NOT self adhesive once dry. That fact, and that fact alone, makes spirit gum a useless glue for "Needle Through Arm."

I think that you believe that to do "Needle Through Arm" Paula, that you must glue something to your arm - YOU DO NOT GLUE ANYTHING TO YOUR ARM FOR THIS EFFECT. Please, do not give advice on an effect that you don't perform. I know you don't perform this effect because, if you did, you would never have suggested spirit gum.

Mike.

Part-Timer wrote:I don't know the specifics of the needle trick, but if it's what I suspect, perhaps try theatrical liquid latex. It's sometimes sold to facilitate horror make up.

It's Halloween soon and you might be able to find this sort of thing in lots of shops. I've definitely seen it in card shops in previous years.

I can't guarantee that it will be strong enough for your purposes, though. Obviously, the stuff for kids is probably designed more for ease of clean up and removal than strength.

If that's no good, try a theatrical make up place. There are a few in the Covent Garden area.

Michael

Get down of your high horse.

I quoted the wrong post and was giving information on what the theatrical glue is called.

I did not say use it for any particular effect.

The above quote is what I meant to attach.

Your in Magic

Paula

Not too long ago, emagictricks sold Yankee Tom's Liquid Skin which works for needle thru arm effects - sadly this is no longer available. I'd bow to Tom's knowledge on the topic but I've seen liquid latex on sale in arts and crafts shops - it smells the same so I guess it's the same stuff and it's reasonably priced. I have bad memories of spirit gum when using it to attach Santa's beard and eyebrows for many years. The darned stuff sticks too well, has to picked off in sections, the skin daubed with Surgical Spirit to get rid of the residue, and it stinks!

Paulajayne wrote:

Part-Timer wrote:I don't know the specifics of the needle trick, but if it's what I suspect, perhaps try theatrical liquid latex. It's sometimes sold to facilitate horror make up.

It's Halloween soon and you might be able to find this sort of thing in lots of shops. I've definitely seen it in card shops in previous years.

I can't guarantee that it will be strong enough for your purposes, though. Obviously, the stuff for kids is probably designed more for ease of clean up and removal than strength.

If that's no good, try a theatrical make up place. There are a few in the Covent Garden area.

Michael

Get down of your high horse.

I quoted the wrong post and was giving information on what the theatrical glue is called.

I did not say use it for any particular effect.

The above quote is what I meant to attach.

Your in Magic

Paula

I'm going to make a point and drop this. Paula, when it comes to high horses, I bow to the size of yours. You've already stated in another post that a c**p trick doesn't make for reputation making magic...I told you that you were wrong, and you proceeded to say that I didn't understand the original intent.

Again, you say the same thing, only that you quoted the wrong quote. I don't see anywhere on this thread where theatrical glue is in question, as you say it is. You directly told a person (I see that you've edited your material - good job, they could've used you during the Nixon years here in the states) to use spirit gum for an effect.

Spirit gum won't work. Full stop. I explained that, in no uncertain terms, and as a result, you accuse me of being on my high horse. Well, if my high horse saves a brother magician from wasting his money on something that simply won't work, then I'm pleased to be on this horse.

Glass houses.

By the way, Spirit Gum is NOT theatrical liquid latex (in the post you quoted).

Mike.

people, people please remember we are not on slag each outher off forum this is talk magic, lets not go down this road and end up like all the rest so called magic chat forums.

its been a long time since iv'e needed to get the tombstone polish out, older members may remember, and i don't intend on ordering anymore in.

we have stived long and hard not to let personal attacks take place here, yes i know its hard to bite your toungue when someone contradicts your view but please remember its not personal its only a piece of text.

think carefully before you reply and bare in mind we pride ourselves on content, lets try to keep it that way please people, now please shake hands go to your neutral corners and wait for the bell thanxs.

I will soon be re-releasing "Liquid Skin" and "Skin Super-Glue" for sale, direct online along with a few other very exciting products.

Great news!!

Michael - thanks for the info: copydex is on my list!
Tom - I look foward to hearing more on your new product. Please post here when it is available (with a link)
Paula - I understand your advice was well-meaning and in the context of this thread prior to my request, was relevant. However, as has been explained I was looking for an adhesive with different properties than those previously requested.

Michael (again) - any ideas on what I can use as a copydex-thinner? As you are familiar with N-I-A, you'll know what I need. Thanks.

Found this at magicbox.
oooo, incredibly short post there.....I hang my head in shame....

mistress of magic wrote:Found this at magicbox.
oooo, incredibly short post there.....I hang my head in shame....

Excellent. Many thanks for the info!

Sorry about the wait on this...

Here in the states, we have a product called "Goo Gone." It works a treat for this effect, when cleaning it off the arm.

Mike.

Good news for all those that have been looking.

Aquarius Magic now stock bottles of Rubber Cement imported from the USA (£5 a bottle).

Aquarius
Tudor House Castle Street -
Thetford
Norfolk - IP24 2DL GB
Telephone: 01842 752611
E-mail : aquarius@tudorhouse.fsbusiness.co.uk

Aquarius Magic

The website isn't the greatest in the world, but it's well worth giving them a call, as the owners, Francis and Cheryl have some extremely reasonably priced items.