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I wonder what the people in those photos would think if the leaflet came through their own door?

AAAARGH! I'VE SUDDENLY BECOME A RACIST WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE!

According to the BBC, BNP London Assembly member (good word, that) Richard Barnbrook has been asked to "revisit" his decision to invite the odious Nick Griffin to the Buck House Bash. Public opinion is beginning to flex its muscles, which is nice...

Given the 2nd biggest political story in recent weeks - anyone know the BNP position on Gurkha's - would be nice to see the racist *(&!! squirm if asked the question...

Richard

jacko wrote:Given the 2nd biggest political story in recent weeks - anyone know the BNP position on Gurkha's - would be nice to see the racist *(&!! squirm if asked the question...

Richard

"As to the BNP’s position on the Gurkhas, you will be interested to know that the party has never before even debated this issue, and thus there is no official position on the topic. I have no doubt that the topic will most certainly be debated at our next conference and I will personally be arguing the case for the Gurkhas," says Griffin.

"Arguing the case"? Like these bigots have any say at all in the matter

The problem with neo Nazis is that the world has seen the trick before. And what should you never show the same audience twice?

Now this is a way to start the day.

I had a look at the list, thanks Tomo, more out of curiosity than anything else, and was alarmed to see a name on there that i know.

I used to work with a chap about ten years ago. It was in a stores office. He'd been in there years and i got drafted in to help start up and maintain a stock control program. I felt bad being in there at first, as he'd worked there for years and was settled and here was this new chap coming in to change his systems of work and take up space in his office.

As we worked together though we became friends and i enjoyed my time there. I was shocked to see his name on the list. Shocked firstly because he was a lovely old bloke and a pleasure to work with ( eventually ), but shocked also because the media generated image of a BNP member is the late 70s stereotypical angry, aggressive skinhead.
To think that the guy i used to work with, who had the most simple of lives and enjoyed the simple things, is lumped in with that lot is i suppose what's confusing me more.

Im still kind of processing it to be honest, and this post is just me thinking out loud. I suppose you could say its one of those ' You dont really know anybody ' type things, but it feels more than that.

A shocker to start the day. It can only get more normal from here.

Pardon how this sounds, but it's nice to know that the U.S. isn't the only nation filled with this sort of fanaticism

Here this sort of propaganda gets distributed mainly, through the guise of Religious Materials through either the Pat Robertson organization or James Kennedy's Coral Ridge Ministries. There are a few others but these are the more high profile duet followed by the radio personalities like Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Shawn Hannity, and of course the bulk of the FOX News crew and voila!

Thankfully, the more fascists element has been serious castrated via the new Obama administration but like a trapped animal, the far right is lashing out (just look at what Chaney did this week).

Madmen & maniacs are everywhere, most waving the banner of their nation and failing to understand what Nationalism actually means... what it can cause and the sorts of evils it can (and typically does) lead to. Don't get me wrong, I'm very much a proud American but at the same time, I do loathe some of the arrogance and acts of general abuse that's been done by supposed Americans for the sake of self/corporate gain under the lie of patriotism and national security.

Like it or not this is really a very small planet and given how society and commerce itself is unfolding, we must start recognizing the fact that national identification is becoming passe. Though it will never be totally obliterated, it must take on a new sense of understanding, being seen more akin to a Provence to a greater "One World" entity in that we will be a completely Globalized world that's interlinked; probably by the time my grandchildren reach their early adult years... within the course of the next generation. It is an evolutionary course the has to happen if humankind is to evolve and move forward into the next great dispensation to time and being; it will allow us, as a whole society, to meet the needs of one and all INCLUDING restoration and preservation of this planet we all share and the expedition of our next great dimension -- Space.

We're already building the Space Station and a Lunar Base is on the drawing board with plans to start construction within the next 15-20 years... both, Internationally Funded Efforts in that no one nation can afford to do it all... that is the way of the future folks

The world's getting smaller by the day - I think the internet especially has made radical changes to the way most of us view the world.

My problem is that a lot of those people on that BNP membership list are probably the sad fools that have been suckered in by the party's scaremongering and platitudes. I'd be surprised if many of them understand its underlying ideology. I think the ones who adhere to the white supremist philosophies are the mega-rich idiots that have been brought up in a petri dish of privilege and told how the world works. That or they're angry teens with a chip on their shoulder, no idea why, and the need for someone else to tell them who to blame for the world's wrongs.

The rest, I'm sure are all naiive middle-aged people from sheltered backgrounds, who think they can believe what they read in the Daily Mail.

And the fact they all seem to miss is that the fluid stream of new ideas and cultures is exactly the thing that makes the British Culture so amazing. It's a culture that allows itself to evolve - not one that stagnates in isolation.

kolm wrote:

Robbie wrote:I bear no love for the BNP, but I'm not seeing any obvious breach of a photo licence here. Assuming they paid to use the photos and didn't just lift them from the stock catalogue, they have every right to use them in their advertising.

You're not allowed to use the photography in any way that depicts endorsement by the model

It's a fringe area in the contract. You're allowed to use the images to advertise essentially anything legal. But you're not allowed to use them in such a way that a reasonable person would think the model personally endorses any "business, product, service, cause, association or other endeavour".

If it came to a court case, the key point would be whether a reasonable person would think the photos were of models or of actual BNP supporters. The fact that they put fake quotations next to the photos saying "I'm voting BNP because..." makes it look a lot more like personal endorsement.

A clearer breach of contract is that I don't see a credits line anywhere on the flyer. The BNP might argue fair use for advertising, but they can't get out of not crediting the photo source.

No one in this country has the right to pick directely on the BNP they are just doing what every other political party does and that is lying to us all to get power.

I do not support them nor do I shun them, this is the same with every party as far as i am concerend.

I am not a racist infact the only English part of me is infact that I was born in England, My dads side is welsh and my mums side maltese.....

Robbie wrote:If it came to a court case, the key point would be whether a reasonable person would think the photos were of models or of actual BNP supporters. The fact that they put fake quotations next to the photos saying "I'm voting BNP because..." makes it look a lot more like personal endorsement.

Which is way it's against t'rulz. They put a quote next to a picture of someone, most people are going to think the quote came from the person pictured (assuming the quote is actually real, which I doubt). This is a big massive no-no both ethically and when it comes to the terms of istockphoto. And when it comes to istockphoto they own the photograph and so it's their house, their rules. I think the fact that the people who made and distributed this leaflet are right-winged racist c***ts who shouldn't even be considered a political party only makes it worse

A clearer breach of contract is that I don't see a credits line anywhere on the flyer. The BNP might argue fair use for advertising, but they can't get out of not crediting the photo source.

That's not required with photographs purchased from istockphoto

MagicalSmithy wrote:No one in this country has the right to pick directely on the BNP they are just doing what every other political party does and that is lying to us all to get power.

I do not support them nor do I shun them, this is the same with every party as far as i am concerend.

I am not a racist infact the only English part of me is infact that I was born in England, My dads side is welsh and my mums side maltese.....

i have every right to pick on them...freedom of speech...and, they are morally vacant idiots...

with no self awareness of history and the intermingling of different creeds and colours...

Fair point.....but tbh you actually think we have freedom of speech, If i was to stand in the high street and shot "God bless England the best country for me" I would be spendign the night in a cell so please do not say freedom of speech.

MagicalSmithy wrote:Fair point.....but tbh you actually think we have freedom of speech, If i was to stand in the high street and shot "God bless England the best country for me" I would be spendign the night in a cell so please do not say freedom of speech.

I'm from essex too - and that wouldnt land me in jail...

and I'm from the proper dirty end of essex...romford...

and freedom of speech is down to semantics in some part, and this discussion is best saved for when you turn up at the london TM meet

This thread reminds of an experience I had when I was working the ticket barriers at Paddington tube station a few years ago. It went something like this...

[Very well dressed couple with a large suitcase]: Open this gate.
[Me]: Pardon?
[Couple]: Open this gate. Now.
[Me]: A "please" wouldn't go amiss.
[Couple]: Why don't you open this gate and then f*** off back to your own country?
[Me]: No need for that, you racist b*****. And if you must know, I am in my own country because I was born here. You stupid c***.
[Couple]: How dare you speak to me like that?! I demand you open this gate so we can get our train.
[Me]: And I demand that you f*** off out of my station. You're not going anywhere near a train.

After a few minutes of fruitless arguing on their part, they left in a right state. His stiff upper lip was definitely a bit flaccid after that. tw*ts.